Thread: "Man up" Sen. McCain

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Ron paul, at least he's conservative. McCain is just another liberal.

It may be that he is not that far from what they think in general? God knows with Bush we got a government that grew 40% in 8 years and almost got a sectary as a Justice of the Supreme Court. We are screwed!


Richard

I respect McCain's judgement for staying out of the democratic circus, let Hilary and Barack beat each other up, and keep out of the dirty politics until a clear winner is chosen among the Democrats.
Right now the more they are seen infighting, the weaker the democrats get.
I agree that he needs to be ready to fight, but staying under the radar and letting these bozos beat each other down is not a bad thing right now.
(no offense intended to any Dems out there, but Your current candidates are hurting themselves as we speak)

All is fair in love and politics, once a decision is made between barack and Hillary, I think we wil see McCain step up and fight... he will be fresh, and prepared where as the democratic candidate will already be soiled by their own infighting.
Don't judge a book by it's cover, McCain knows what he's doing.

Originally Posted by Mike_ratliff

I respect McCain's judgement for staying out of the democratic circus, let Hilary and Barack beat each other up, and keep out of the dirty politics until a clear winner is chosen among the Democrats.
Right now the more they are seen infighting, the weaker the democrats get.
I agree that he needs to be ready to fight, but staying under the radar and letting these bozos beat each other down is not a bad thing right now.
(no offense intended to any Dems out there, but Your current candidates are hurting themselves as we speak)

All is fair in love and politics, once a decision is made between barack and Hillary, I think we wil see McCain step up and fight... he will be fresh, and prepared where as the democratic candidate will already be soiled by their own infighting.
Don't judge a book by it's cover, McCain knows what he's doing.

You may be right, but it seems to me that he shouldn't be shooting his own party in the foot in the meantime.

Arggghh...

Is this what conservatives get??!?!?

A Political Transvestite?

...and people ignore Ron Paul.... we deserve our fate...IMHO.

Originally Posted by JMS

You may be right, but it seems to me that he shouldn't be shooting his own party in the foot in the meantime.

Is he shooting his party in the foot?
The actions of individuals speak volumes, his party may very well be running these ads with his approval, but in order for him to appear to hold the higher ground, he expresses disapproval in public, in the end the ads will not hurt him for being negative, and the message is still delivered.
It's quite brilliant if you ask me.

The negative attacks on the democrats will be discounted as the actions of individuals, not as his, he comes out smelling like a rose.
A great politician can sway armies, and move mountains without anyone knowing he did a thing.

I'm not saying this is what is happening, but if it is, it's brilliant. The few republicans who don't think McCain is strong enough will still vote Republican when their other choice is... well, not an option.
but by remaining quiet, and keeping clear of the mud slinging, McCain may sway more swing voters, and even some Dems who are tired of hearing hillary and Barack bad mouthing everybody within reach.

A percentage of voters will always vote based on party alone, a few more are "convinced" by party rhetoric, and will listen to vague promises.
The remaining voters generally vote for the lesser evil. It's not who makes the biggest promises, it's the person who can come through as a strong moral leader, the one who looks the cleanest at the end of all the mud slinging... who is most likely to win.

Anti republican/anti Bush sentiment will give the Democratic candidate an edge, but if McCain can play his cards right, many people will have turned away from the democratic candidate because of all the garbage going on.
The longer this goes, the better off republicans are.

Personally I think McCain should stay away from the neocon politburo
If he were to snuggle up to Bush it wouldn't do him any good imo.

On a national level, a lot people disagree with Bush, even a lot of the reps I talked with. So in order to get the reps to show up, he'd do best to be a real republican and not a Bush crony.

The real democrats will vote for whoever wins the nomination, but the people who are in the middle ground will decide the end result.
If they disapprove of Bush, then so should he in order to get their votes.

On an international level, McCain will have a lot more credibility if he is seen as critical of current republican leadership.
I realize that it is of course not for us you are choosing a president but it wouldn't hurt the US if it can win back some international goodwill.

Originally Posted by Mike_ratliff

Is he shooting his party in the foot?
The actions of individuals speak volumes, his party may very well be running these ads with his approval, but in order for him to appear to hold the higher ground, he expresses disapproval in public, in the end the ads will not hurt him for being negative, and the message is still delivered.
It's quite brilliant if you ask me.

The negative attacks on the democrats will be discounted as the actions of individuals, not as his, he comes out smelling like a rose.
A great politician can sway armies, and move mountains without anyone knowing he did a thing.

I'm not saying this is what is happening, but if it is, it's brilliant. The few republicans who don't think McCain is strong enough will still vote Republican when their other choice is... well, not an option.
but by remaining quiet, and keeping clear of the mud slinging, McCain may sway more swing voters, and even some Dems who are tired of hearing hillary and Barack bad mouthing everybody within reach.

A percentage of voters will always vote based on party alone, a few more are "convinced" by party rhetoric, and will listen to vague promises.
The remaining voters generally vote for the lesser evil. It's not who makes the biggest promises, it's the person who can come through as a strong moral leader, the one who looks the cleanest at the end of all the mud slinging... who is most likely to win.

Anti republican/anti Bush sentiment will give the Democratic candidate an edge, but if McCain can play his cards right, many people will have turned away from the democratic candidate because of all the garbage going on.
The longer this goes, the better off republicans are.

I would agree that this is a possibility...if he hadn't already made a habit of shooting his own party in the foot!
When Leiberman saw clearly that his ideals didn't mesh with the DNC he declared himself an independent! McCain should have such character! If he did he might win this race in a landslide.

I don't know that I would necessarily agree McCain has shot his party in the foot, although perhaps he did manage to hit a toe or two. It's pretty clear that he is not a strong supporter of the Religious Right and/or the Social Conservatives, but I don't think a lot of Republicans are either. He seems fairly in tune with most of the other GOP factions.