Thread: More than 31,000 scientists don't buy it!!

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

Because even President Bush now admits it's real.
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.......Nope! Still not convinced.....

James.

Originally Posted by artilleryo

The long and the short of all this is we'll find out who was right one way or another. The scientist in me says maybe we can do something and maybe we can't. The soldier in me says "die trying."

The scientist in me is still open to the idea. The engineer in me says that "reduce greenhouse gases" is far from an effective well orchestrated plan to halt a doomsday scenario. Let's have some numbers, lets find out what we need to do, lets find out where the best bang for our buck is.

Until we see that, along with an honest discussion to generate a real plan better than "lets all drive hybrids", greenhouse gas reduction is more of a political movement than a response to a threat.

As for the self-regulating Earth-- a few billion years after humanity has killed itself off, you'd never even know we were here

It's a hard question to answer considering all the points which must be taken into consideration to understand. For instance, while hybrids are better for the environment to run as a commuter car they cost just as much energy to make the battery and ship the battery over as running your engine for 250,000 miles. I found this article interesting (while long it's worth a read) discussing a lot of the shifty "support" that's been used to discuss human caused freak global warming.

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

Because even President Bush now admits it's real.
QED

Its nice to hear that you believe what the president says!!


Of course any president belives its "important" not real, its far to big a political gambling piece to let anyone else plat with it.

Originally Posted by ScottS

The scientist in me is still open to the idea. The engineer in me says that "reduce greenhouse gases" is far from an effective well orchestrated plan to halt a doomsday scenario. Let's have some numbers, lets find out what we need to do, lets find out where the best bang for our buck is.

Until we see that, along with an honest discussion to generate a real plan better than "lets all drive hybrids", greenhouse gas reduction is more of a political movement than a response to a threat.

As for the self-regulating Earth-- a few billion years after humanity has killed itself off, you'd never even know we were here

Thank you, that a great statement of the bes position to take. All the "solutions" I hear and most especially those that are hyped to the stars seem not to help yet the overwhelming support for poor good sounding solutions takes away from the efforts to find a solution to our problems that is actually effective.

From a strictly common-sense perspective, conservation has always been a good idea. I was taught (and by the time i got into my late 30's, understood) that decent people don't use more than they need.

Tying into my original idea (or maybe this was on another, similar thread), we've been "taught" over the years that we "need" more than ever before. Less ethical companies feed this by making products that won't survive their intended use for more than a few years. Consider the razor. Gillette invented the DE so they could have a more consistent revenue stream. They got the US military to issue DE razors to soldiers because gas warfare mandated that soldiers shave regularly so their masks fit properly. In comparison even a good DE razor is a superior value both in terms of materials and economics that the Mach III, Quattros, etc.

I'm sort of happy that fuel is expensive. I earn a decent living, but $4 a gallon gas and the price increases on almost everything hurt my bottom line too. But, it forces me to think "Do I really need to make that trip by car, or can I ride my bike?"

As far as Global Warming goes, I'll be dead in 40 years at the outside. Maybe I'll be one of the old that can't survive the changes that come. My kids and their kids will learn to make due with the world they have with them. If there is one thing that makes Homo sapiens successful is adaptation.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

While I rarely speak for X or agree with him, I don't think this was directed at you specifically.

I rather think it was an expression of disgust at the way the whole argument of this issue is conducted from the pulpits on either side. Neither really uses effective language and its all become one big political pop culture mismash where the scientists can not longer figure out whose side is saying what.

Bad science bad arguments and bad decisions on all sides.

Quite right, thank-you. I should have been more clear and used 'one' or the less austere 'someone' instead 'you' in that sentence. Apologies for my obtuseness.

X

Originally Posted by xman

Quite right, thank-you. I should have been more clear and used 'one' or the less austere 'someone' instead 'you' in that sentence. Apologies for my obtuseness.

X

Actually X, I need glasses! After rereading what you wrote, I realize that what I thought was a comma after "I've no doubt" was actually a period! Once I saw that, it made your post much clearer to me!

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

Because even President Bush now admits it's real.
QED

Given Bush's trach record at integrity and honesty, Global Warming has to be a lie.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.