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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickelking View Post
    Well, friends is strong, hence the ish. but for the amount of time he was in there I'd be surprised if they weren't at least friendly towards each other.
    My friend...I am not certain that you have a clear picture of what McCain, or any of our men went through in POW camps.

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    Actually I rather am, I'm also familiar with stockholm syndrome.

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    Personally, I don't get it. Will anyone in the US care that McCain has support from his old gaoler? I can't make out whether the BBC is just presenting a human interest story or whether they are trying to passive-aggressively stir up a "McCain lies about his prison experience" controversy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Personally, I don't get it. Will anyone in the US care that McCain has support from his old gaoler? I can't make out whether the BBC is just presenting a human interest story or whether they are trying to passive-aggressively stir up a "McCain lies about his prison experience" controversy.

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    I suspect the BBC is trying to stir up something! I'll just wait and see what pops up next!

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    Oh.... I thought Stockholm syndrome was what happened to you when you were tortured with too much ABBA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Oh.... I thought Stockholm syndrome was what happened to you when you were tortured with too much ABBA...

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    Ok, you've gone too far. ABBA wasn't bad, with great arrangements and strong melodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Chandler View Post
    Ok, you've gone too far. ABBA wasn't bad, with great arrangements and strong melodies.
    Yeah.

    I mean I could see it as cruel and unusual punishment, but I don't think it would be so bad as to cause stockholm syndrome.

    You just need a healthy dose of Alice Cooper afterwards to negate the ABBA effects.
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    Right, it rarely gets to that kind of macro degree, but it's fairly common for it to occour in a micro degree. I don't find it surprising that Sen. McCain's captor eventually got to talk to him as a person and that they found a mutual respect despite being on opposite sides. Mutual respect ws often found in those camps after a period of time.

    [snark]And having seen Hogan's Hero's it's obvious that POWs were good friends with their captors.[/snark]

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMS View Post
    My friend...I am not certain that you have a clear picture of what McCain, or any of our men went through in POW camps.
    My grandfather was in a german POW camp. I never got to talk with him about it, because he died of lung cancer when I was 3 years old, but I know a little bit.

    How you got treated depended on lots of things. First of all he was an officer, so he got treated a bit better than the regular soldiers, or so I heard. He was also a white male, so he was not targeted specifically by the nazis.
    The camp he was in was Belgium, and while still a POW camp, it was better than being in a POW camp in the eastern european countries, and nothing compared to a concentration camp or death camp.

    I don't know much about the vietnam war and about McCain or any of the other parties involved, but it is at least possible that not all POW camps were of the sort about which popular war movies are made, and that McCain was not tortured like the soldiers in such movies.
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