Thread: Supreme Court finds individual right to own guns

Originally Posted by Kantian Pragmatist

Not just Law Enforcement, but also private security companies, innovations such as pepper spray and mace or tasers, neighborhood crime watch organizations, and on and on and on. Guns can be a part of home security, and they can be an important part, but they are not, strictly speaking, necessary. And should (God forbid) you ever be the victim of a home invasion, your dumb as rocks dogs might surprise you. At any rate, the dog's greatest utility is not in being a physical barrier to the invader, but a psychological one. The invader is much more likely to skip you over when he hears a dog's bark, whether that dog is likely to attack him or not. And believe me, if an invader is intent on harming you or your family, it is unlikely that even your ownership and use of a gun would stop him.

I am not generally known as pro-gun, but this argument is not making any sense.

First of all, I just saw a documentary on national geographic that discussed self defense options.
The results were not what you might expect. people get insensitized to pepper spray after a couple of times. This was demonstrated by an ex special forces guy, who also demonstrated that a trained professional can rip the taser talons out of his body an attack the other guy within seconds.

Private security companies can protect you, but they are generally expensive, and unless you get personal protection, they are no more effective than police officers patroling the streets.
Neighborhood watches etc have the same problem, AND they require that you also take care of everybody else.

Ownership of a gun will not deter anyone, but the gun itself can. When someone is IN your house, your wits and weapons are what can save you. Not the neighborhood watch, not the security company... noone but you can take control of what will happen.

Now I don't want guns in my house, but that does not mean that I don't allow others to make the same choice for themselves.
With guns comes the responsibility to handle them properly, and to teach your kids not to play with them.
Whenever I read that a kid shot his brother or himself with daddy's gun, I think it is sad, but ultimately it's the parent's fault for being stupid .

The same holds true with razors. They can be used as weapons. They can cause horrible accidents. You don't need live blades. There are perfectly safe cartridge razors, doing everything you need, and they are used by the majority of the mob. Does that mean that I shouldn't have live blades? Because there is no need for me to make my own decisions, rather than to follow the group and go baaaaah?

Your argument boils down to some sort of communist approach to self defense, requiring you to take care of everyone, including those who are not taking care of themselves, and taking away your freedom to fend for yourself as you see fit, in favor of what the group decides for you.