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    There is an editorial in the Washington Post dealing with firearm statistics by Arthur Kellermann, a professor of emergency medicine and public health at Emory University

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    Having read Mr. Kellerman's opinions,
    He is essentially stating that firearms are dangerous.
    Of course they are. That is why it is important that the government not have a monopoly on this power, but the people have it as well.
    Of course people use firearms to commit suicide. It's probably the reason so many claim that one's own firearm is more likely to be used on oneself. There is a huge number of suicides and an even larger number of people who have considered it. That does not mean, however, that those numbers support that someone would have his or her weapon wrestled away by an assailant.
    People also kill themselves with sleeping pills (more are attempted this way, I'll wager, than just about anything else) more than by firearms. People also hang themselves and slit their wrists. The tool is not the issue here. Firearms are thought by some to be an easier way out, but someone seeking this needs other help, not a ban on the tool of choice.
    Make help more available, rather than having the government tell us "you'll put your eye out" and take what it has no right to take.
    Some people should not handle dangerous implements. That doesn't mean those should be banned for everyone's use. How many people here drive cars, after all. Own sleeping pills? Razor blades? straight razors? All of these have been used for suicide, as well as rope.
    Doesn't mean I want the government to tell me I cannot possess them, as they are "too dangerous".


    Sorry. Got into ramble mode again.


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    To me, the disturbing statistic was from the survey done in Atlanta. During a home invasion, the criminal was more than twice as likely to get to the gun before the owner. Ouch.

    For anyone interested, there's another article on gun laws in the NY Times.

    Gun Laws and Crime: A Complex Relationship - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/we...liptak.html?hp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pudu View Post
    To me, the disturbing statistic was from the survey done in Atlanta. During a home invasion, the criminal was more than twice as likely to get to the gun before the owner. Ouch.

    For anyone interested, there's another article on gun laws in the NY Times.

    Gun Laws and Crime: A Complex Relationship - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/we...liptak.html?hp
    A rebuttal:NCPA - Policy Report 176 - Myths About Gun Control

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    The gist of the article, for those who did not read it...ahem, is that the relationship between gun laws and gun crimes is very complex, and that many studies can be interpreted to support both sides, as Justice Breyer found out when researching the case. Not sure if it needs rebutting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pudu View Post
    To me, the disturbing statistic was from the survey done in Atlanta. During a home invasion, the criminal was more than twice as likely to get to the gun before the owner. Ouch.

    For anyone interested, there's another article on gun laws in the NY Times.

    Gun Laws and Crime: A Complex Relationship - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/we...liptak.html?hp
    I have trouble beliveing ANYTHING printed by the New York times as they are (personal opinion) the most liberal anti gun news paper in existence and only print things that support their views no matter how wrong they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Photoguy67 View Post
    I have trouble beliveing ANYTHING printed by the New York times as they are (personal opinion) the most liberal anti gun news paper in existence and only print things that support their views no matter how wrong they are.
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    I didn't want to say this as it would get me in hot water with Pudu again but that is how I see it also!!
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    I am all for having the right / privilege (privileged right ) to own firearms and fire crackers as we get closer to July 4th , but

    I would have trouble believing anything said by

    NCPA - Policy Report 176 - Myths About Gun Control

    as their opinions are mostly right wing rhetoric.




    Quote Originally Posted by Photoguy67 View Post
    I have trouble beliveing ANYTHING printed by the New York times as they are (personal opinion) the most liberal anti gun news paper in existence and only print things that support their views no matter how wrong they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amyn View Post
    I am all for having the right / privilege (privileged right ) to own firearms and fire crackers as we get closer to July 4th , but

    I would have trouble believing anything said by

    NCPA - Policy Report 176 - Myths About Gun Control

    as their opinions are mostly right wing rhetoric.
    Who would you suggest then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amyn View Post
    I am all for having the right / privilege (privileged right ) to own firearms and fire crackers as we get closer to July 4th , but

    I would have trouble believing anything said by

    NCPA - Policy Report 176 - Myths About Gun Control

    as their opinions are mostly right wing rhetoric.
    Will you accept this:Can Gun Control Reduce Crime? Part 1

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