Thread: In defense of Sarah Palin

I too find it offensive, thats why I brought it up. I find it offensive that people care so little about their fellow man.

The GOP who prides it self on being the party of the christian right (or has been taken over by), that's what their policy is. So If you don't like it don't get mad at me, get mad at the GOP or for that fact the christian right.

If you disagree please participate and tell us your thoughts on a health care policy rather then trying to stop debate by feigning to be hurt by someone discussing an actual policy.

If you're really interested listen to the Nixon tapes when he talked about health insurance and Kaiser Permanente, there was a Republican really looking out for the little guy.

I think Hutch is speaking of the political activities of the Christian Right -- groups like the Christian Coalition and Moral Majority, and their fellow travelers. They were the ones who politicized religion in this country, and the emerging tone of this thread, I think, amply demonstrates the unwisdom of that decision.

j

Not only has he turned this thread into a distasteful attempt to bash conservatives, but he is also insulting Christianity. If I were to defend my religious beliefs and my conservative viewpoints, or to state my opposition to liberalism, not only would it be inappropriate for this thread, but it would likely be seen as retaliation and I would be banned from SRP.

Being a Christian, his statements are offensive, that’s all I’m saying and I will leave it at that.

That's the problem the inability to seperate ones spiritual beliefs from the politcal machine that organized religion has become. My comments are about those that use peoples faith to further politcal agendas that truthfully are the opposite of the teachings of Christ.

If religious organizations want to play in politics then they are subject to the scrutiny that any other lobby group is under.

I doubt Christ would have had anything to do with either party.

Originally Posted by Hutch

That's the problem the inability to seperate ones spiritual beliefs from the politcal machine that organized religion has become. My comments are about those that use peoples faith to further politcal agendas that truthfully are the opposite of the teachings of Christ.

If religious organizations want to play in politics then they are subject to the scrutiny that any other lobby group is under.

I doubt Christ would have had anything to do with either party.

Does this not equate also to the "left" and its God, or pantheon rather, of socialized medicine, abortions on demand for reason, the extremes of NAMBLA and other affiliated groups, percieved destruction of the nuclear family, the ability of the state to dictate from on high and at a distance even the most miniscule of trade, etc. etc. etc. One's religion may not contain a "God", per se, but even the unbelievers rabidly worship at the alter of unbelief. I do agree with you that Christ probably wouldn't have much to do with either party as a party. "Render unto Caeser", as it were. Also, the question I posed is not a gauntlet thrown to anyone, simply an observation that what the extreme Right does, so does the Left. And when viewed from a distance, seems to be for the same reason. ("I'm right and I'm going legislate you into heaven!" "I'm right and I'm going to remove those silly blinders of an archaic belief system from your eyes and make you see that mankind is the the zenith of wisdom!" In other words, "I'M RIGHT!")

Originally Posted by maplemaker

Does this not equate also to the "left" and its God, or pantheon rather, of socialized medicine, abortions on demand for reason, the extremes of NAMBLA and other affiliated groups, percieved destruction of the nuclear family, the ability of the state to dictate from on high and at a distance even the most miniscule of trade, etc. etc. etc. One's religion may not contain a "God", per se, but even the unbelievers rabidly worship at the alter of unbelief. I do agree with you that Christ probably wouldn't have much to do with either party as a party. "Render unto Caeser", as it were. Also, the question I posed is not a gauntlet thrown to anyone, simply an observation that what the extreme Right does, so does the Left. And when viewed from a distance, seems to be for the same reason. ("I'm right and I'm going legislate you into heaven!" "I'm right and I'm going to remove those silly blinders of an archaic belief system from your eyes and make you see that mankind is the the zenith of wisdom!" In other words, "I'M RIGHT!")

Pearls before swine my son...pearls before swine!

Hi All,

No offense to any poster, but this has gotten waaaay off topic. I'd hope this thread would remain open at least until the election coming up is over with. I can see this thing's starting to go south, and would ask members to skip any strong religious commentary. I agree with others who know what a minefield that topic can be, and would hope inflammatory comments meant to confront would be kept out of this particular discussion. Believe me, I have my own thoughts on that subject, but that's a whole other deal.

I believe there IS a religious connection to a certain party, and leave it at that. No comments on the methods of control being used or why.........no comments on how it looks to most others.....nope, I'm not gonna bring that up here. Hehe, I'd rather keep things on the 'lighter' side, and mention political observations on how the GOP is doing with marketing the Palin strategy and the like. That's a LOT less dangerous to post about than this religion stuff. You know, religion can **** people off like few other subjects, and I'd hate to see this thread evolve into a flame war.

Sigh.......I realize none of you know me or my previous experiences, but I WAS involved in a terrible war of words on another forum. This was 2-3 years ago, and some nasty things were said by both sides. It was a fight against..........oh hell, I'm not gonna get into that. The fighting lasted for well over a month, and finally reached the breaking point. I should mention that not only posting in the forum was going on, but live chat was also occurring on that site as well. Yeah, real time yelling at someone, with 40-50 other members watching the whole thing unfold. Not good.

Finally, the owners shut down the forum altogether for many months. When it returned, open for posting again, all the energy had been burnt out of the place. It never did recover and this forum became a ghost town. Turns out that even though my side won the battle, both sides ended up losing the war. I still stop in there and post very infrequently, but it's a dead zone now. I usta be fairly well known there, having been a member for 6 years now.

So yeah, I know when a thread's about to explode (and be closed), and would hope to head that off if possible. As I said in a previous post, the members here have impressed me with being able to handle political subjects in a gentlemanly way. That's tough enough, but religion is a whole other can of worms. I don't wanna even touch that booby trapped can.

Thanks for reading,
Martin

Oh Jim? Hehe, I just saw what you'd posted right above this one.........thanks.

Originally Posted by maplemaker

Does this not equate also to the "left" and its God, or pantheon rather, of socialized medicine, abortions on demand for reason, the extremes of NAMBLA and other affiliated groups, percieved destruction of the nuclear family, the ability of the state to dictate from on high and at a distance even the most miniscule of trade, etc. etc. etc. One's religion may not contain a "God", per se, but even the unbelievers rabidly worship at the alter of unbelief.

Actually, no, it does not equate at all to secular political opinion. That's just the point. There's a fundamental difference between saying "I think this is the best thing for our society to do" and saying "God wants us to do this." And no, you can't make a religion out of social programs with which you disagree. That's a tactic used by Christian social conservatives to try to insinuate religion into the debate. What they're saying is "But the other guys are a religion, too!" It's completely bogus.

I guess we need another religion thread, as we've veered significantly from the Defense of Sarah Palin thread. On the other hand, she never answered the questions she was asked either.

j

Originally Posted by maplemaker

Does this not equate also to the "left" and its God, or pantheon rather, of socialized medicine, abortions on demand for reason, the extremes of NAMBLA and other affiliated groups, percieved destruction of the nuclear family, the ability of the state to dictate from on high and at a distance even the most miniscule of trade, etc. etc. etc.

I have to ask...are you saying these are the planks in the Democrats platform?

Originally Posted by maplemaker

Does this not equate also to the "left" and its God, or pantheon rather, of socialized medicine, abortions on demand for reason, the extremes of NAMBLA and other affiliated groups, percieved destruction of the nuclear family, the ability of the state to dictate from on high and at a distance even the most miniscule of trade, etc. etc. etc. One's religion may not contain a "God", per se, but even the unbelievers rabidly worship at the alter of unbelief. I do agree with you that Christ probably wouldn't have much to do with either party as a party. "Render unto Caeser", as it were. Also, the question I posed is not a gauntlet thrown to anyone, simply an observation that what the extreme Right does, so does the Left. And when viewed from a distance, seems to be for the same reason. ("I'm right and I'm going legislate you into heaven!" "I'm right and I'm going to remove those silly blinders of an archaic belief system from your eyes and make you see that mankind is the the zenith of wisdom!" In other words, "I'M RIGHT!")

What about the pedophilia that has taken place by those great men of the cloth and were protected by the church? There are enough on all sides that do disservice to the traditional family and moral values, I don't think it has anything to do with party or religious affiliation.

I don't think I would equate either religion nor being liberal with NAMBLA. Those people are just sick perverts, I don't believe that either party affiliates themselves with such sick individuals. If you have some reliable evidence to the contrary please share.