Thread: What are your Thoughts?

Originally Posted by iron maiden

Didn't South Park come up with the idea for our choices a while back?

Who to vote for?
...a giant douche?
...or a giant turd?


Either way, we're not left with much of a choice....and 3rd party is unfortunately too far diluted to make a difference....remember Ross Perot. Only this time, there's Bob Barr, Ralph Nader, Chuck Baldwin, etc......more choices to further spread the dissenters vote to make sure one of the 2 main candidates gets it.

...overall, I might just abstain. McCain isn't worth a damn, and Obama might as well be openly communist.

At this point I don't know what to do. I don't want to compromise my integrity like Denmason says and help one of the main players get it by default by voting for the lesser of two evils, but I really don't think voting for a 3rd party candidate is even feasible. It is a shame there isn't just one of them whom we could all go for. I think that might surprise everybody if somebody like Chuck Baldwin actually won.

Turd sandwich was the second choice.

I am of the opinion that the Republican party, when in power, drives the bus to hell at a stately 55 miles per hour. The Democrats, in power, mash the accelerator. That's how I see the "two" choices. There are fundamental differences in the foreign policy and taxes between the evil of two lessers we have as main choices, but ultimately both will take us to the same end unless we come back to a somewhat isolationist and firmly constitutional way of running this country. (i.e., there's nowhere in the Constitution that says the president is the leader of the free world, or has any obligation to go to any other country and tell them what they need to do.) Sadly, a return to what the nation should be will not be caused by voting for just the president, no matter which you vote for this time. There are three branches, and all three need a good housecleaning.

I keep things very simple I don't vote the candidate they are all just politicians....

Pick out your trigger (pun intended) issues, what are the top three things that you care about, and cast your vote on that...

For me there is obviously one issue that stands to the forefront on every election (GsSIXGUN)..... I will never vote for anybody, that stands against my 2nd amendment rights, period end of story....

I agree, it's a good way to choose. Too bad neither candidate is really on our side when it comes to guns.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I keep things very simple I don't vote the candidate they are all just politicians....

Pick out your trigger (pun intended) issues, what are the top three things that you care about, and cast your vote on that...

For me there is obviously one issue that stands to the forefront on every election (GsSIXGUN)..... I will never vote for anybody, that stands against my 2nd amendment rights, period end of story....

Denmason's post is really interesting... thanks for all the info. There is a clear opiion in it but still, many thanks. I didn't realize that the US was not a "pure democracy". But the arguments seem reasonable enough to stand... And freedom is just that: "I may not agree to what you say, but I will fight for your right to say it..."

I'm really far away from America and, as you americans know and understand, the image that the US have in Europe is rather... foggy! So we really do not know jus how it works and I have the feeling that a lot of americans do not understand the way their country reall works in what concerns the funcioning of their political system... but one thing that always strikes me as being odd is the frequency in which I hear americans say "I don't vote!" Why is that?! I understand that it's a right not to vote... but isn't it a strronger duty to do just the oposite? Isn't it your duty to vote as to ensure that you have the right not to vote?... Will someone explain this to me? I, for one, consider voting a very important thing and I haven't missed any election or referendum since I was of age, that meaning 18 years old.

Plus, as an information that I would like to request, can someone explain to me just how the election system in the US works? Sure... it's not universal sufrage (is this a word?...) because you cannot count 300 milion votes... So... how?

As he left the Constitutional Convention September 8,1787, a certain Mrs. Powell shouted out to Benj. Franklin, "Well Dr. What have we got?", and Dr. Franklin responded "A Republic, if you can keep it!"

Republic and democracy are not mutually exclusive. Regardless of how many times or how loudly it is shouted otherwise, the United States of America fits the definition of both and is therefore a republic and a democracy. However, that argument is both tedious and off topic.

I will be voting for Obama, simply because he is a black man. I believe it is more important to defeat racism and hatred than to be concerned with neverending flow of political rhetoric. We know any candidate makes promises that are impossible to keep. My main concern is more along the lines of what harm a president may do. I am much worse off now than I was eight years ago. I lost two very good jobs due to realignment of corporate priorities and elimination of government funding for not for profit organizations. I watched a very wealthy president exhibit shameless cronieism to repeatedly help out his very wealthy friends and family. I saw absolutely no concern for the working class people of this nation. I watched the current administration run a steady, divisive campaign of fear mongering. I watched in shame the obvious disregard for the poor black people of one of our greatest cities when Hurricane Katrina cause the destruction of the Lower Ninth Ward of New Orleans. I am pretty confident that help would have arrived much sooner if Fairfiled County, CT; Weschester County, NY or any other affluent, predominantly white community were equally threatened. I think the old white guys have run this show long enough. I think it is time to relinquish a bit of control and show the world we are truly beyond racist beginnings that have been swept under the rug for so long.

I see Barack Obama as a man who has managed to rally people together, people of all walks of life. I see nothing more important than uniting our nation's people to learn to communicate and work together for our common good.

I am not a strong backer of any party. I don't believe in the spewtum of any politician. I don't think I will live long enough to see any appreciable changes in any of the key issues. However, I see us as a nation with an opportunity to make a great step forward in the ranks of humanity. I sincerely hope we seize that opportunity.

Brad

Originally Posted by maplemaker

Turd sandwich was the second choice.

Thanks for the update...I didn't check that until way after I posted.

And in an attempt to get my point back out of the gutter....I just want to concur with Glen...whomever is opposed to the 2nd Amendment, does NOT get my vote. America is not Europe...Europe is Europe, and America is America....we have guns, they don't....I'd kinda like to keep mine, thank you very much.


I just realized...I'm talking about politics...I have crossed the threshold.