Thread: OBAMA'S "NOT EXACTLY'S"

Originally Posted by JMS

The guy was seriously asking for help and all you guys are giving him is more of the same!

Maybe he is still hoping for some change

Exactly.... it was an email I got.... and was not an attack on Obama from me ... cause I dont know who to vote for now ....

My point was more that they have dug up all this "stuff" on Obama and not much on McCain ... so it seems...

I listened to, by downloading them from iTunes, the debates... all 3 and have listened to them several times and while I have to admit I was McCain McCain McCain ... I really wasent sure after hearing him speak.

FORGET all the crap said by either side... my gut feeling was that Obama just did not have the experience yet to handle some of the international issues. I could not picture him sitting with other world leaders and having the real life political experience to hold his own and represent the US.

Thats just how i felt.....

Listening to the debates a few times has me wonder if McCain could stay on topic long enough to make sence and solution to the issues brought up. It bothered me that in the last debate he seemed to rush an answer to a question so he could bash Obama. While it may be the tactic his campain wanted him to take at the time since we are very CLOSE and it was his last public appearence to do so ... I was getting ****ed that he was not giving solid answers and that he was not telling us what it was he was realy striving to do and how he would do it. Like when you hear kids "debate" about something and when one of them realizes he has lost he just turns around with "well your a dick with no friends!" ... LOL ... I felt like thats what McCain was doing to Obama....

None of the debates gave me the feeling that they really got into the issues that they are going to tackle the moment they get in office ... So they have long term plans and thats fine but where were the timelines and the immidiate things they were going to do when they got in office. Niether would commit to anything !!!

So it leaves me very unhappy seeing those kinds of answers and results from there debates... they were dull and uninteresting and shed no light on they were PERSONALLY going to do ASAP to make a change from where we are now....

who do I vote for... I have no idea ! .... and i have never not known who i was going to vote for 4 days before the election !

Originally Posted by JMS

The guy was seriously asking for help and all you guys are giving him is more of the same!

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Maybe he is still hoping for some change

If a guy can't make a decision, he probably doesn't have enough testosterone to be on a shaving forum... I think some of you have lost it - do you really believe this is Armagedon or something? Vote whatever - in four years you'll be either better off or worse off than if the other candidate had won, your single vote is extremely unlikely to make a difference in the outcome and it's far more productive to use your time and energy with things that you have more control over how they'll impact your life.
If you don't want to be miserable for the rest of your life you should accept the fact that just like everybody else, you will make many bad decisions and will have to live with the consequences.

Originally Posted by Earthdawn

Exactly.... it was an email I got.... and was not an attack on Obama from me ... cause I dont know who to vote for now ....

My point was more that they have dug up all this "stuff" on Obama and not much on McCain ... so it seems...

I listened to, by downloading them from iTunes, the debates... all 3 and have listened to them several times and while I have to admit I was McCain McCain McCain ... I really wasent sure after hearing him speak.

FORGET all the crap said by either side... my gut feeling was that Obama just did not have the experience yet to handle some of the international issues. I could not picture him sitting with other world leaders and having the real life political experience to hold his own and represent the US.

Thats just how i felt.....

Listening to the debates a few times has me wonder if McCain could stay on topic long enough to make sence and solution to the issues brought up. It bothered me that in the last debate he seemed to rush an answer to a question so he could bash Obama. While it may be the tactic his campain wanted him to take at the time since we are very CLOSE and it was his last public appearence to do so ... I was getting ****ed that he was not giving solid answers and that he was not telling us what it was he was realy striving to do and how he would do it. Like when you hear kids "debate" about something and when one of them realizes he has lost he just turns around with "well your a dick with no friends!" ... LOL ... I felt like thats what McCain was doing to Obama....

None of the debates gave me the feeling that they really got into the issues that they are going to tackle the moment they get in office ... So they have long term plans and thats fine but where were the timelines and the immidiate things they were going to do when they got in office. Niether would commit to anything !!!

So it leaves me very unhappy seeing those kinds of answers and results from there debates... they were dull and uninteresting and shed no light on they were PERSONALLY going to do ASAP to make a change from where we are now....

who do I vote for... I have no idea ! .... and i have never not known who i was going to vote for 4 days before the election !

I wish you had time to read one of Obama's books. They explain a lot about who he is, how he processes information, and where he stands on various things. He's far more conservative than the mainstream media make him out to be. He has long had very little patience for the partisan posturing that has characterized Washington since Reagan.

The books aren't so much autobiographies as they are statements of philosophy and principle, explained in terms of Obama's personal experience.

Having read the books, I have really not understood what McCain means when he says that we don't know the "real Obama." Barak's thoughts are far better documented than anyone else in politics for many, many years.

I like him for his intellectual curiosity and active mind. He listens to all sides of an issue, which is why he has acquaintances in all sorts of walks of life, from Palestinian professors to fire-breathing, fundamentalist preachers. But he makes up his own mind.

Good luck. You have a couple days yet.

j

Originally Posted by gugi

I a guy can't make a decision, he probably doesn't have enough testosterone to be on a shaving forum... I think some of you have lost it - do you really believe this is Armagedon or something? Vote whatever - in four years you'll be either better off or worse off than if the other candidate had won, your single vote is extremely unlikely to make a difference in the outcome and it's far more productive to use your time and energy with things that you have more control over how they'll impact your life.
If you don't want to be miserable for the rest of your life you should accept the fact that just like everybody else, you will make many bad decisions and will have to live with the consequences.

Id like to think my vote matters... Im losing 36% of my income to fund this government and too see it watsed day after day I want something to change and someone in power who will make a difference in how that money is spent... 17% of my income goes to my ex-wife for child support as per state regulations.

53% of my income is gone before i get it... for me every election is big and means alot. If I was moving to Canada then i wouldent care very much but since i plan on staying here.,... it means a lot. And it is worth my time to know who is controling what and where our money is going and who has the ultimate say in the spending of it....

Originally Posted by gugi

your single vote is extremely unlikely to make a difference in the outcome and it's far more productive to use your time and energy with things that you have more control over how they'll impact your life.

more productive than what? voting? or enjoying conversation about the election?
It's all about production and efficiency with those DPCs

I'm new to srp so I'm going to try not to step on any toes here. However it seems to me that the reformation of the way we govern ourselves is long overdue. With the advent of computers and the internet the way that we elect a president sould reformed. That way everyone in this country would have a voice. After the last election it seems like a no brainer to me.
On to the two canidates, neither one seems to me to be the savior of the world, however Obama seems to be the lesser of two evils. Mc cain seems to be a litle unstable, not to mention his pick for VP. Thanks and hope I didn't ofend.

Originally Posted by Earthdawn

Id like to think my vote matters... Im losing 36% of my income to fund this government and too see it watsed day after day I want something to change and someone in power who will make a difference in how that money is spent... 17% of my income goes to my ex-wife for child support as per state regulations.

53% of my income is gone before i get it... for me every election is big and means alot. If I was moving to Canada then i wouldent care very much but since i plan on staying here.,... it means a lot. And it is worth my time to know who is controling what and where our money is going and who has the ultimate say in the spending of it....

Well, regardless of who becomes president I don't think government waste is going to change. Tax cuts or increases, that's 2-3% difference and I am pretty certain if higher income is your goal you can increase it by a lot more on your own, despite what the government does.
As far as whether you should be forced to contribute financially to your children, I personally am in favor of the society enforcing some minimum limit, and short of a revolution I don't think that this particular state regulation is likely to change any time soon.
Of course, I think that people should find out what the political platforms and candidates stand for, but there has to be some sort of a balance. Neither side is evil or good, despite the whole theater they present to the voters, and whether particular policies will work or not is to be found by trying them out.
I spend time thinking about politics that I'm not even participating in, not because I will change anything (I'm not even voting), but because it's a practice for my reasoning, which is what I do for a living.

Originally Posted by Earthdawn

Exactly.... it was an email I got.... and was not an attack on Obama from me ... cause I dont know who to vote for now ....

My point was more that they have dug up all this "stuff" on Obama and not much on McCain ... so it seems...

I listened to, by downloading them from iTunes, the debates... all 3 and have listened to them several times and while I have to admit I was McCain McCain McCain ... I really wasent sure after hearing him speak.

FORGET all the crap said by either side... my gut feeling was that Obama just did not have the experience yet to handle some of the international issues. I could not picture him sitting with other world leaders and having the real life political experience to hold his own and represent the US.

Thats just how i felt.....

Listening to the debates a few times has me wonder if McCain could stay on topic long enough to make sence and solution to the issues brought up. It bothered me that in the last debate he seemed to rush an answer to a question so he could bash Obama. While it may be the tactic his campain wanted him to take at the time since we are very CLOSE and it was his last public appearence to do so ... I was getting ****ed that he was not giving solid answers and that he was not telling us what it was he was realy striving to do and how he would do it. Like when you hear kids "debate" about something and when one of them realizes he has lost he just turns around with "well your a dick with no friends!" ... LOL ... I felt like thats what McCain was doing to Obama....

None of the debates gave me the feeling that they really got into the issues that they are going to tackle the moment they get in office ... So they have long term plans and thats fine but where were the timelines and the immidiate things they were going to do when they got in office. Niether would commit to anything !!!

So it leaves me very unhappy seeing those kinds of answers and results from there debates... they were dull and uninteresting and shed no light on they were PERSONALLY going to do ASAP to make a change from where we are now....

who do I vote for... I have no idea ! .... and i have never not known who i was going to vote for 4 days before the election !

I got an email saying that If I send my bank info to a guy in Africa I can get a million dollars. I don't put much credibility in things I get in unsolicited email.

One glaring problem, the Republican's are going after the fact that he sat in church listening to sermons from Jeremiah Wright at Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, then they want to call him a Muslim, which one is it, it can't be both.

On the experience front, McCain is 72 there is a very good chance that he might not complete his term, can you see Palin sitting at the table handling international issues? That is really the only thing that scares the crap out of me, because she is the most unqualified person to ever be on the ticket as a VP nominee.

Originally Posted by Hutch

I got an email saying that If I send my bank info to a guy in Africa I can get a million dollars. I don't put much credibility in things I get in unsolicited email.

One glaring problem, the Republican's are going after the fact that he sat in church listening to sermons from Jeremiah Wright at Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, then they want to call him a Muslim, which one is it, it can't be both.

I've not heard any politician call Obama a muslim. It is fact though that he was raised as such. Whether he stuck to those beliefs, only he can say for sure, But I can say with a certainty, based on Wrights sermons that neither of them are truly Christian!