Thread: They banned Christmas!

No more Christmas for any of youse. I told Santa I’ve been a good boy this year and he died laughing.

Whatever happened to common courtesy?

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

Yes, some of those symbols were put up many years ago, and they remained unmolested until that pack of grifting Pharisees began to lie, cheat, and steal to promote their particular religious cults.

I stand by my statement.

What haunts your nights? It certainly isn't religious freedom.

Your position is that certain individuals, for argument's sake we'll call them Good Guys, started to complain that religious symbols in public places were being removed, attacked, or what have you and that these other individuals, for argument's sake we'll call them Bad Guys, then started to, as you say, molest them? You're arguing effect and cause, not cause and effect?

That may make sense in Backwards Land, but it doesn't make sense here, in Reality. Capitalized for your viewing pleasure.

These Good Guys may be right or wrong, but they're the reactionaries, not the Bad Guys.

So stand away. Stand until your legs are sore.

What haunts my nights? Tools like Hutch that thank every clown that says anything remotely "left". Honestly, you should be limited to one thank you a month.

I agree, attacks on religious holidays are silly. Christmas is as much a secular holiday as a religious holiday.

I think the problem seems to come from the exclusion of other's religious festivities, rather than do away with the Christian holidays, what's the problem with including others? I think the answer should be ours and everyone else's rather than ours or nothing.

Guys lets be careful here. Talk your opinions do not put down others. Or this thread is going bad and out.

Originally Posted by Hutch

I agree, attacks on religious holidays are silly. Christmas is as much a secular holiday as a religious holiday.

I think the problem seems to come from the exclusion of other's religious festivities, rather than do away with the Christian holidays, what's the problem with including others? I think the answer should be ours and everyone else's rather than ours or nothing.

Holidays and Beliefs our your own. No one should be involved need to include or not include. What you believe in is for you and no one else to say right or wrong. When people or body's of people find it to intrude on this it is wrong.

Originally Posted by Whiggamore

Your position is that certain individuals, for argument's sake we'll call them Good Guys, started to complain that religious symbols in public places were being removed, attacked, or what have you and that these other individuals, for argument's sake we'll call them Bad Guys, then started to, as you say, molest them? You're arguing effect and cause, not cause and effect?

That may make sense in Backwards Land, but it doesn't make sense here, in Reality. Capitalized for your viewing pleasure.

These Good Guys may be right or wrong, but they're the reactionaries, not the Bad Guys.

So stand away. Stand until your legs are sore.

What haunts my nights? Tools like Hutch that thank every clown that says anything remotely "left". Honestly, you should be limited to one thank you a month.

Thanks for the personal attack.

When small minds have nothing intelligent to say the resort to personal attacks, this has been the the tactic of the Social Conservatives (formerly the Republican Party) for the last 10 years.

I don't look at Nords post as "left" they are basically a position I agree with, until the Social Conservatives (Religious Right) started their quest to turn the country in to a theocracy, most didn't care about religion being interspersed with the government. They have shown themselves as the party of intolerance and bigotry and those symbols are being used by them to add religion to politics. So its not cause and effect, its the unintended consequence of intolerant groups trying to take over a country.

I'll thank who I want and when I want, despite bullys like yourself.

Oxford city council confirmed the events in the city would be renamed 'Winter Light Festival' to make them more inclusive, provoking outrage among shoppers in the city who called for a return to tradition.

If I were a council member I would have proposed to use the truthful name 'The Big Winter Shopping'.
As far as I'm concerned decorating a tree, depleting your bank account or even worse increasing your debt is not a celebration of Christmas. When I want to give gifts I generally don't need a day or a season that the society has deemed appropriate for that.
Of course, you can easily tell that I have no kids.

Originally Posted by gugi

If I were a council member I would have proposed to use the truthful name 'The Big Winter Shopping'.
As far as I'm concerned decorating a tree, depleting your bank account or even worse increasing your debt is not a celebration of Christmas. When I want to give gifts I generally don't need a day or a season that the society has deemed appropriate for that.
Of course, you can easily tell that I have no kids.

Well said but yea you dont have kids lol

Originally Posted by Don

Holidays and Beliefs our your own. No one should be involved need to include or not include. What you believe in is for you and no one else to say right or wrong. When people or body's of people find it to intrude on this it is wrong.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.

Are you saying it is wrong to enjoy someone else celebrations, and learn about them?

I have no problem when some wishes me a Merry Christmas, or my Jewish friends wish me a Happy Hanukkah, or my Indian friends wish me Happy Diwali, these are important things to them and they choose to include me I take that as a compliment.

I think the argument is that there are public displays of religious holidays, in North America they are mostly Christian, what is the problem with allowing other religions to have public displays if they wish to have them?