Thread: Have You Known Any Murderers or Victims ?

i have not known any murderers on a personal level although i am surrounded by them at work. most you would never think of having commited such horrible crimes. there is one ols guy there that make you think of your grandpa, very kind and respectful and always in a good mood but he has killed 3 people before he was locked up and has killed 4 since he has been locked up i guess he is about 65-70 yrs old now but it kind of makes you think.. you never know who may have commited a murder or who will in the future.

Jimmy

Personally known three murder victims:
- GC killed by a serial kidnapper/rapist in Utah in the late 70's.
- ZM killed by a drunk driver when I was in high school.
- BM killed at the Pentagon, morning of 9/11/01

Known more than six dozen murderers, rapists, bank robbers, drug dealers, pedophiles and arsonists.
- Working prison ministry for five years will do that.

No, it's not strange that you know people on both sides of that particular divide.
It's a sad commentary on life in these United States, but it's not strange.

On several occasions, high-school classmates have told me that Ann Goldsmith ע"ה was murdered by her husband -- alleged, but not proved (AFAIK).



And then, there's "Painless" Jimmy... (who's murder, when he's tattooing you)

Originally Posted by SirDaniel

Jimmy

Personally known three murder victims:
- GC killed by a serial kidnapper/rapist in Utah in the late 70's.
- ZM killed by a drunk driver when I was in high school.
- BM killed at the Pentagon, morning of 9/11/01

Known more than six dozen murderers, rapists, bank robbers, drug dealers, pedophiles and arsonists.
- Working prison ministry for five years will do that.

No, it's not strange that you know people on both sides of that particular divide.
It's a sad commentary on life in these United States, but it's not strange.

Sir I am not a religious man but what you do is a calling. Hats off.

I know 3 persons who've committed murder, and two of their victims.

More than one 9/11 murder victims.
One murder victim in Israel.
One murder victim when a good friend's roomate (the good friend was not the one killed, but I had met the roomate) opened fire in a relatively well publicised shooting which I will not identify. He watched his good friend bleed out as they waited for an ambulance they could hear, but would not enter the area until it was "secure." (Understandable). But for the delay, they said it was very likely he would ahve lived. The trauma was not nearly as bad as the bleeding.

One murderer (besides the above roomate). A guy I used to hang out with as a teeneage got really into very verynasty drugs and apparently is now away for life after killing two people, one while high, one while broke and looking to fix.

I knew a kid in high school who got high on coke and stabbed a girl to death at a party. I actually dated his cousin and we used to see him all the time at the swimming pool by the house I lived in as a kid. Crazy world.

I teach in an inner-city school system and can think of two students I have had who were later convicted of murder. One was a gang shooting, the other was a very gruesome one during a home invasion. My Tae Kwon Do instructor twenty years ago murdered his wife, also particularly gruesome, and growing up, I worked with a guy that set a fire to a hotel that killed eight people. He was let off for lack of evidence but everyone knew he did it.

So, I think its right when one says it's the environment one comes from. One is bound to run into those types. A bad environment doesn't mean everyone living in it has to be bad.

My first wife's Uncle was shot and killed when his store was robbed. The muderer walked in fired away and took the days proceeds from the register. He was never caught.

At my day job we hire many people from various programs who are trying to rehabilitate themselves, 50% of our employees have a criminal record for drugs or other crimes, at least two were convicted of manslaughter in drug related incidents. Very few have seemed to turn themselves around and pretty much all have weeded themselves out within a month or two. It was a nice try but most do not want to change, or are unable to because they still live withon the same environment that lead them down that path.

With the great loss of jobs out there now were are replacing these people with displaced workers without records, giving a helping hand in a different direction. I just hired an ex-GI who starts on Monday as one of my lab trainees. Good background, a tour in Iraq and a current National Guard member. Looks like a fine young man who needs someone to take a chance on him.

Tony

Ben,

No he did not know. No one wanted to tell him she did it, so he actually briefly believed she was attacked also and died. I still think there is a part of us all that refuses to believe someone can be capable of such things.

As a side note, in the E.R. he was given less than 2 hrs to live. The police not knowing any better allowed her in the room alone with him during that time. Chilling to think what could have happened had she the b--s to finish the job.

Man this thread is getting to me.