Thread: Is there no end to this rabbit hole?

Originally Posted by sparq

I have a sad news for you - there might be very few places to go. Japan? Korea? The rest of the world is infested with socialism.

I agree with you there but my reasons are from a medical standpoint. Countries like ours have better medications because we pay for it. Canada will only supply generics to patients, which is fine for most medications; but when you've got better more effective medications that aren't even offered based on cost.... well.... in my family that's not even an option. ref

I would rather and will most likely just use myself as the donor for whole blood transfusions (like they used to do in the old days) rather than use some crappy 1st or 2nd generation recombinant product that is more like a game of Russian Roulette each time you use it.

BTW... because countries like Britain and Canada refuse to use the good "safe" stuff based on cost: 90% of their patients who need this medication to survive, are HIV or Hep C positive. In a socialized America I'd have a judge tell me I have to use that product on my kids and hope for the best or face jail time. Not gonna do it!

That's just me though.

Originally Posted by JMS

The title says it all! How dare our government use this poor economy as an excuse to seize more and more power to its self! It is becoming so transparent day by day.

Well, there's only one alpha-dog on the block. No surprises here at all.

Originally Posted by JMS

Geithner can't even pay his own taxes and he wants the power to seize and run "failing" US companies!

I think you're mistaking 'can' and 'want'.
And actually it's about the 'failing' companies, I'd think the definition of failed is once they're gone.

Originally Posted by icedog

If you don't like it, you shouldn't have voted Democrat.

Touche

Originally Posted by jmueller8

... Countries like ours have better medications because we pay for it. Canada will only supply generics to patients, which is fine for most medications; but when you've got better more effective medications that aren't even offered based on cost. ...

Not true.

X

medications, germany, great britain. wasn't it germany that demanded lower prices from the pharm manufacturers and then screwed them? I was reading about it. apparently the US is the only major coountry that doesn't price control with these bloodsuckers.

Red

Originally Posted by xman

Not true.

X

Alright, they will provide brand names provided they are "reasonably" priced. But the chemo, alzheimers, and many other drugs they will not touch nor mention based on price.

Prices are too high I agree but the technologies involved in the creation, patenting, FDA approval, and advertisement are what keep the prices so friggen high. Plus the enormous bonuses they give out as well. Hell; our meds are a new car each month and I've got $100 K's worth in the fridge for emergencies.

The system sucks!

Originally Posted by jmueller8

Countries like ours have better medications because we pay for it.

Psst. Don't tell anyone, but here in the UK it is quite legal to buy private medical care. We are even allowed to take out medical insurance to cover it!

The fact that we have free healthcare for everyone doesn't change that. The only thing is that this "free" healthcare is paid for by the taxpayer, and the money available is not infinite. Hence expenditure has to be capped somehow.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons for criticising our National Health Service, but spending money where it does most good is not something to condemn.

The bottom line is that here in the U.S people die because they can't afford to buy meds or have medical procedures. Does that happen in countries where every citizen is covered for medical care?

Originally Posted by Rajagra

Psst. Don't tell anyone, but here in the UK it is quite legal to buy private medical care. We are even allowed to take out medical insurance to cover it!

The fact that we have free healthcare for everyone doesn't change that. The only thing is that this "free" healthcare is paid for by the taxpayer, and the money available is not infinite. Hence expenditure has to be capped somehow.

Really Now that's something to consider actually. Thanks for telling me this!

BigSpendur: sadly... yup. People are always flying here for surgeries because the waiting list is so long. Last year more than 1000 Canadian mothers delivered here in the states because there was no room for it there. The list goes on and on...

Thank GOD! I thought everyone was asleep!

How did this suddenly turn into a conversation on health care?