Thread: If It's All The Same To You, Why Deny Others?

If It's All The Same To You, Why Deny Others?


It not all the same to me, it bugs me, and I really don't have to have a reason why, I just have to keep voting and speaking against it.....Yep I am an Ameriacn and I have the right to free speech....

Originally Posted by jockeys

not good according to who? you? the masses have spoken and the majority of people like it. i realize our country was founded by prudes and puritans escaping from all the exciting sexuality going on in europe but seriously, it's a pretty recent idea that the human body is inherently naughty and seeing it is in any way bad.

Who said the human body is inherently naughty, or bad??? Certainly not me. Don't know how you got that from my post... On the other hand, there are some human bodies that, as a public service, should remain well covered.

The "not good" comment was in reference specifically to actor Dennis Franz's a$$ being displayed on television. But if that is exciting sexuality, to each his own.

But back on topic, my point was that maybe there are good reasons for protecting certain cultural taboos that go beyond religion. Some of these taboos are common to all cultures throughout human history, homosexuality being one of them.

Before we start (or continue) tearing down all the walls, I think we have to consider the long term effects.

Just for starters - consider the designations bride and groom, man and wife, or husband and wife. Those are not just arbitrary are they? Aren't they also legal terms? So what happens in the case of same sex marriage to those designations? Will they be preserved, or abolished?

How would that affect something like polygamy?

My opinion is that life is already too short. I think marriage is something we invented, and it's a way of recognising that two people need to be treated as an entity socially and legally.

I really try and live my life taking people on their merits, on how they present them selves. I have seen loads of straight couples who should NOT be married, what they have is not a marrige - it's an arrangement. Equally, I've met gay couples who've got married and you just couldn't imagine one with out the other. It shouldn't matter who you want to marry, as long as you're doing it for the right reasons and you're in it for the long haul.

Originally Posted by honedright

The "not good" comment was in reference specifically to actor Dennis Franz's a$$ being displayed on television.

But back on topic, my point was that maybe there are good reasons for protecting certain cultural taboos that go beyond religion. Some of these taboos are common to all cultures throughout human history, homosexuality being one of them.

1. agreed, the public display of that particular ass ought to be a hate crime
2. not ALL cultures:
Homosexuality in ancient Greece - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
from TFA "The ancient Greeks did not conceive of sexual orientation as a social identifier, as Western societies have done for the past century."

Originally Posted by jockeys

1. agreed, the public display of that particular ass ought to be a hate crime
2. not ALL cultures:
Homosexuality in ancient Greece - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
from TFA "The ancient Greeks did not conceive of sexual orientation as a social identifier, as Western societies have done for the past century."

Yes, yes--the ancient Greeks! They had it all correct...not only would they have condoned abortion, but even after a child was born, you could simply leave it out to die of exposure! Yes, let's use them as a blueprint of how things should be done!

(sorry, Jockeys, no personal attack upon you intended, but rather the idea presented)

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I don't really care for being called rediculous.
No one called you ridiculous, at least not in writing in this thread.
As for marriage meaning nothing but a close joining, maybe it's like that in the english language but it's not the same in the other languages that I speak. In both Dutch and German a mariage can only happen to people. So how about we wipe that argument off the table as well since we're working with a very international group? I am discussing the denial of rights for citizens of the United States of America so let's not do any wiping off of any argument.

As for it being funny that I'm opposed to gay mariage since I'm living in the netherlands? I don't find that very funny at all. I think it's funny that you are opposed to people from another country on another continent having the same freedoms that your country was the first to grant. I think it is funny that you care at all. Alex, that is exactly the point of my initial question. Why would it cause you any stress if a gay couple in Flint, Michigan, USA wants to join together in a legally sanctioned marriage? I read Glennerator's statement that he doesn't have to have a reason, it just bugs him. Is distaste and/or dislike for a certain group of the population sufficient to deny those people equal rights? I happen to think that the whole of my government is made up out of a group of people that do not care what their population thinks one way or another, I have nothing but disrespect for those in parliament right now and most of those in parliament in past years. I don't agree with my government and probably won't on most things. I'm doubtfull that the gay mariage laws would have passed if those in power would actually have held a referendum or talked to the people that they're supposed to represent. So if you held the scepter of power would you then reverse the rules and deny people the freedoms they have been granted?

Brad

Originally Posted by gssixgun

If It's All The Same To You, Why Deny Others?


It not all the same to me, it bugs me, and I really don't have to have a reason why, I just have to keep voting and speaking against it.....Yep I am an Ameriacn and I have the right to free speech....

Hey Glennolopolis, I hope it doesn't bug you too much. If you find it's keeping you awake at night I'd suggest some sort of counseling or perhaps some meditation on the Serenity Prayer might help.
Braddipillar

Originally Posted by Seraphim

My cousin went to one of those "family planning" places to see about an abortion, as she was in an economically untennable position at that time.

She was confronted/talked to by one of those crazy picketing sign wielders and re-considered what she was about to do.

My second cousin (i.e.- her daughter) is now 20 years old, and a wonderful person.

But why should those people have cared? Why should they have "denied" my cousin's *ahem* right to have an abortion?

Maybe it really doesn't matter to them, but it sure mattered to my second cousin!

Actually I think your second cousin would have been the first to have gotten over it.

Originally Posted by icedog

Actually I think your second cousin would have been the first to have gotten over it.

I realize you like to make outrageous comments, but it seemed to me that you started the thread because you were interested in a discussion about the topics you posted.

So, how on the one hand, can you take a cavalier point of view towards human life, and on the other be seemingly distraught over the fact that gays in most cases are not granted legal marriage rights? Does the fact that they can't get married prevent them from spending the rest of their lives together if they so choose? And even if they can't what does it matter to you if you could care less about what other people think?

The biggest complaint that I hear in regards to the issue of so called equality in gay marriage is medical visitation rights, etc. Simple- you put in a legal document that you want your partner to be your medical proxy and/or have power of attorney and they will then most likely be abe to have full access to see you in the hospital, etc, etc. Right?

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Yes, let's use them as a blueprint of how things should be done!

i'm a big fan of abortion, pre and post natal alike (or as I like to call it, accelerated natural selection), so you're kinda reinforcing my point here...