Thread: If It's All The Same To You, Why Deny Others?

Originally Posted by jockeys

i'm a big fan of abortion, pre and post natal alike (or as I like to call it, accelerated natural selection), so you're kinda reinforcing my point here...

Well, Ok, as long as we know where you stand.

Originally Posted by icedog

Hey Glennolopolis, I hope it doesn't bug you too much. If you find it's keeping you awake at night I'd suggest some sort of counseling or perhaps some meditation on the Serenity Prayer might help.
Braddipillar

It's ok Brad-o-saurus Rex, trust me that doesn't keep me up at night....

The fact the the US is slowly slipping into the quagmire of special interest groups however does worry me quite a bit.....
The fact that I pay over 50% of everything I make to various taxes that worries me...
The fact that the largest religion in the world today wants to kill most of us in the west that bothers me....
The fact that I live in the middle of nowhere in Idaho yet by looking at the the Sex Offender data base it pops over 50 hits in a 10 mile radius that worries me....
The fact that Obama is the President and is anti-gun that really worries me....
The fact that Obama seems to at every chance denigrate the USA that really bothers me...

That fact the Adam and Paul or Eve and Lilith wanna be together doesn't bother me, I just don't think it should be a "Marriage"...

Originally Posted by jockeys

1. agreed, the public display of that particular ass ought to be a hate crime
2. not ALL cultures:
Homosexuality in ancient Greece - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
from TFA "The ancient Greeks did not conceive of sexual orientation as a social identifier, as Western societies have done for the past century."

Excerpt from the above link - (bold underline mine)

"Given the importance in Greek society of cultivating the masculinity of the adult male and the perceived feminizing effect of being the passive partner, relations between adult men of comparable social status were considered highly problematic, and usually associated with social stigma. However, examples of such couples are occasionally found in the historical record."

And -

"The most common form of same-sex relationships between males in Greece was "paiderastia" meaning "boy love". It was a relationship between an older male and an adolescent youth. In Athens the older man was called erastes, he was to educate, protect, love, and provide a role model for his beloved. His beloved was called eromenos whose reward for his lover lay in his beauty, youth, and promise."

Also -

From: Marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -

"In Ancient Greece, no specific civil ceremony was required for the creation of a marriage - only mutual agreement and the fact that the couple must regard each other as husband and wife accordingly. Men usually married when they were in their 20s or 30s and expected their wives to be in their early teens. It has been suggested that these ages made sense for the Greek because men were generally done with military service by age 30, and marrying a young girl ensured her virginity. Married Greek women had few rights in ancient Greek society and were expected to take care of the house and children."

I didn't vote, but I'm all for two women arguing about which one should pay alimony. I'd pay to see that!

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I realize you like to make outrageous comments, but it seemed to me that you started the thread because you were interested in a discussion about the topics you posted.

So, how on the one hand, can you take a cavalier point of view towards human life, and on the other be seemingly distraught over the fact that gays in most cases are not granted legal marriage rights? Does the fact that they can't get married prevent them from spending the rest of their lives together if they so choose? And even if they can't what does it matter to you if you could care less about what other people think?

The biggest complaint that I hear in regards to the issue of so called equality in gay marriage is medical visitation rights, etc. Simple- you put in a legal document that you want your partner to be your medical proxy and/or have power of attorney and they will then most likely be abe to have full access to see you in the hospital, etc, etc. Right?

I am not taking a cavalier point of view towards human life. I believe human life is sacred. However my beliefs are not what I hope this thread is about. What I wanted this thread to be about is why some people tend to want to control the freedoms of others. For the record, I don't think it is appropriate to consider homosexuality as "normal". The system design clearly requires a male and a female to function to full capacity. I do not however feel it is any of my business what consenting adults do behind closed doors.

Someone commented they don't like to see public displays of affection between two guys. I think hhe means he doesn't like to see two guys swapping spit. Neither do I but I don't like to see straight couples doing that either. But this thread was not meant to be about abortion or gay marriage. I was hoping it would be about people's fears and need to control.

There's a limited access highway that runs through Fairfield County, CT called the Merritt Parkway. It is one of the most beautiful roads I've driven but it is also one of essentially only three roads running from the New York line to the Housatonic River and New Haven County. As such it is a major commuting route running parallel to routes 1 and 95. It is only two lanes. I see the major causes of delays as tail gating and people riding in the left lane and not passing. In Germany on the Autobahn it is illegal to ride in the left lane. They have a law that (I hope someone from DE will correct me if I am wrong) that in German means "drive right". On the Parkway, people don't care. They will intentionally block the passing lane and state the speed limit as their logic for not moving over. I wonder why.

Brad

Originally Posted by gssixgun

It's ok Brad-o-saurus Rex, trust me that doesn't keep me up at night....

The fact the the US is slowly slipping into the quagmire of special interest groups however does worry me quite a bit.....
The fact that I pay over 50% of everything I make to various taxes that worries me...
The fact that the largest religion in the world today wants to kill most of us in the west that bothers me....
The fact that I live in the middle of nowhere in Idaho yet by looking at the the Sex Offender data base it pops over 50 hits in a 10 mile radius that worries me....
The fact that Obama is the President and is anti-gun that really worries me....
The fact that Obama seems to at every chance denigrate the USA that really bothers me...

That fact the Adam and Paul or Eve and Lilith wanna be together doesn't bother me, I just don't think it should be a "Marriage"...

I think those things you listed as "facts" are your opinions and not necessarily factual. However I don't want to get into these things as they are all off topic.

Originally Posted by icedog

I think those things you listed as "facts" are your opinions and not necessarily factual. However I don't want to get into these things as they are all off topic.

Absolutely positively totally off topic (except the last one)
I'll be quiet now since nothing will ever change my mind

Originally Posted by Jimbo

I do not understand the mob rule argument. If one group ends up outnumbering another, generally that group, under the democratic ideal, will have more sway in all matters whether it be gay marriage, gun laws, or anything in between.

Yes, you are missing something. We don't live in a (pure) democracy. We are in a representative republic and that's the way the founding fathers wanted it. They were smart cookies and did their best to avoid the "tyrany of the majority". The "democratic" is not the "ideal".

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I'll be quiet now since nothing will ever change my mind

And nobody will ever try to make you. Except maybe Captain. Just gotta get your mind right, that's all

The public gets tired and outraged from any group that is shrill and use gorilla tactics to get their point across. Religious folks that labor the point that "Jesus Saves" over and over again, bomb abortion clinics, and behave like hoodlums are "shown the door", so to speak.

The same can be said about some of the groups that support gay marriage. Over and over again people say that your "head" is not right, you are ignorant, you are evil when you vote against gay marriage. I live in California and when Prop. 8 was voted on the gays outed and posted the names of people that donated against Prop. 8, what a POS position. Behave like civilized people or you will be "shown the door". It is on the same level as straight people publishing the home address of gay people, inexcusable! What a fascist position. What next, apprehend all those that voted against Prop 8 and put them in a camp till "Their minds and beliefs are proper" like they do in China? You can be a fascist no matter what your political position and the almighty left is becoming more and more fascist every day.

Be very careful with using force to accomplish what you want and think you must have, retaliation is often swift and mindless!



Later,
Richard