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  1. 06-02-2009, 12:49 AM #1
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    Gunman Shoots 2 at Arkansas Military Recruitment Center - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

    Update: Police say Suspect Targeted Military

    All the same muddy questions as in the first thread we can ask here, but as gugi said in the first thread,"Play nice"

    Again, all rather cut and dry...but is it?
    I also wonder if this will hit the news cycle like the good doctors story or will the media let it die for...let us just say their own reasons?
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    I started this thread as I noted some making the comparison of the man who shot the good doctor to a terrorist.
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    i don't know what defines somebody as a terrorist, but the link says that they'll charge him as such.
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    Well, I have to say it's murder pretty plain and simple. I don't, for a minute, imagine that the shooter really ever spent any time pickiting that recruitment center, or pamphliting, or speaking out against the war in any meaningful way. I'm willing to bet he didn't even vote in the last election. I have no sympathy for someone who chooses to take their protest to the level of homicide without first exhausting all the other possibilities, and I think he needs to be put in prison. In fact, I suspect that his fantasy is to be imprisoned for his beliefs. Guess what? He's actually going to to prison for murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joesixpack View Post
    Well, I have to say it's murder pretty plain and simple. I don't, for a minute, imagine that the shooter really ever spent any time pickiting that recruitment center, or pamphliting, or speaking out against the war in any meaningful way. I'm willing to bet he didn't even vote in the last election. I have no sympathy for someone who chooses to take their protest to the level of homicide without first exhausting all the other possibilities, and I think he needs to be put in prison. In fact, I suspect that his fantasy is to be imprisoned for his beliefs. Guess what? He's actually going to to prison for murder.
    One point to ponder: if one of the recruiters was a pregnant female and she died and the baby died he would be up for 2 counts of murder. If someone shot him before he could pull off a round to kill the recruiter they would be a hero.

    I find inconsistencies fascinating.
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    uhm, i'm not sure whether pregnant recruiters fits the military code.
    the murder counts is legal matter and i'm pretty sure that it'll be a single count.
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    On a positive note, it's good to see there are still some people willing to give a helping hand...
    YouTube - China bridge jumper 'gets a push' 1


    Now that's a whole new can of worms, if the "helper" didn't have psychiatric problems, what could/should he be charged with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMS View Post
    One point to ponder: if one of the recruiters was a pregnant female and she died and the baby died he would be up for 2 counts of murder. If someone shot him before he could pull off a round to kill the recruiter they would be a hero.

    I find inconsistencies fascinating.
    I'm not sure I would call this an inconsistency... Whether or not the recruiter was a pregnant female doesn't really have anything to do with "hero" intervention. I'd say the person is still a hero either way if he/she stops a wacko from shooting somebody.

    Unless I missed the point of your statement completely, in which case, I apologize. I'm a few drinks in and it's muddied the water, so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oglethorpe View Post
    I'm not sure I would call this an inconsistency... Whether or not the recruiter was a pregnant female doesn't really have anything to do with "hero" intervention. I'd say the person is still a hero either way if he/she stops a wacko from shooting somebody.

    Unless I missed the point of your statement completely, in which case, I apologize. I'm a few drinks in and it's muddied the water, so to speak.

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    Someone, who shall remain nameless Ogie, compared the murderer of the good doctor in my previous thread to a terrorist and I was pointing out an inconsistency, not only to the comparison but to legalized abortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMS View Post
    I started this thread as I noted some making the comparison of the man who shot the good doctor to a terrorist.
    In my eyes it's simple. Anyone who uses terror to achieve his ends is a terrorist. * I expect that man wanted to strike fear in other doctors doing similar abortion work, so yes, I'd call him a terrorist.

    (*) Of course that implies that there are "good" terrorists as well as bad ones, legally acting ones as well as illegally acting ones...

    The phrase "good terrorists" sounds odd, but when we firebombed Germany in WW2 I'd call that terrorism, but ultimately in a good cause. Same thing nuking Hiroshima.
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