Thread: Health Insurance in the USA

And yet more..if you care to read the bill that is: Dagnamit! I tried to upload the bill but it is too big so I split it in half and each half is now bigger than the original. Can anyone help?

Originally Posted by JMS

Can anyone help?

I can provide a link to the pdf: http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Keep some Kleenex handy if you've to a heart.

Everyone who wants to help her out, get her paypal address and send her some money.

The appeal to pity is lost on me as a valid argument for government-funded socialism though

Originally Posted by Bruno

Excuse me? Is this acceptable? Should this be required? Should they have to lower themselves to harrassing doctors and begging for money?

The insurance company execs should be tarred and feathered, and then caned for good measure. doing what you describe should never be necessary.

My point was that you do what you need to do now and worry about making your insurance do right later if they don't do it in the first place other wise someone might die in the mean time

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

We're friends Mark and I don't mean this as a personal affront but I have to say that my impression is that this is an example of ideology trumping facts. I don't think you really believe that would happen in the real world if we had a NHS.

It certainly isn't the case in the rest of the industrialized world where NHC is a given. The fact that here in the USA 47 million Americans have no health insurance is bad enough but those that do have it must live in fear that if the day comes when they are stricken with a serious illness the insurance co will make them fight for treatment if they don't cancel them to begin with. Something our European brethren don't have to worry about.

Thanks for being so thoughtful in your post Jimmy! You should read the bill though.

Come on! some of you guys, the goverment takes your money and spends it on all types of crap and that,s allright? They finally want to spend some of it on something decent for its citizens welfare and your against it.
I just don,t get it.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

The fact that here in the USA 47 million Americans have no health insurance is bad enough

I wonder about that number 47 million. If we looked at that number honestly I wonder how many do without because they don't want insurance, or make enough that they feel they don't need insurance. How many are in that figure are really just between jobs so for a short time they have no insurance, and lastly, how many are illegally here in the states? I bet that number would drop by way more than half if it was analyzed honestly.

Originally Posted by Leighton

As for the other stats, its a conceded point that the US has better "rare disease" care than other countries.

Aren't all those case handled by Gregory House?

Originally Posted by JMS

I wonder about that number 47 million. If we looked at that number honestly I wonder how many do without because they don't want insurance, or make enough that they feel they don't need insurance. How many are in that figure are really just between jobs so for a short time they have no insurance, and lastly, how many are illegally here in the states? I bet that number would drop by way more than half if it was analyzed honestly.

Not going to comment on the immiration angle because I simply don't know.

1) don't want insurance -> teeny minority I think, because that's just plain stupid, as the first occurence of medium medical issue will clean them out and they know it.
2) don't need insurance -> teeny minority since there aren't that many ultra rich who won't notice dropping 100K.

Btw the immigrants would get ER treatment which they would get at a point where their condition has turned from 'doctors visit' seriousness to 'ER level + compications' seriousness and as a result be more $$$.

Originally Posted by JMS

It neither takes a genius nor an assumption to understand that you can not know the hearts and minds and personal experiences of us who do not believe that a national health care is the way to go.

No one has waited when they know their help is needed. If this lady in the video had opened her eyes and her mouth sooner someone would've stepped forward to help. This I am certain of. We are not in the habit of letting our fellow citizens die in the streets.

Point 1 - Correct I do not know what you are thinking or feeling.Only what you are saying. You have only ever lived under the private system so you have only ever seen one side of the coin.
I do know what I am talking about because in Australia we have both systems and no one I know has ever been screwed under Medicare but I know people who have had very bad experiences with their private insurers.
Point 2 - So unless someone asks for your help you won,t give it? Has everyone in America got your phone number just incase they need your help? Would it not be easier to do away with all those time consuming phone calls and just chip in a little, you know, help out some fellow human beings without having to be asked. It will make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside!