Thread: This has been bugging me.

Wildtim - I had no idea that Victorian dress was a mandate. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

I wouldn't point to Victorian fashion as an example. It was the work of one particular person, a dictator, who was also by many accounts quite insane.

Power is the ability to make decisions on your own behalf if you have to listen to any outside authority you don't have it.

Queen Victoria was a dictator? What have I missed? C'mon Tim clue me in.

Originally Posted by singlewedge

Actually it is the father's decision on who wears what.

I have never, ever, heard that before. Infact, when ever it is on TV here they have ALWAYS interviewed the mothers and asked how they would feel if their daughter CHOSE to wear the full kit.

IMO, it's all just xenophobia and people would be better off to get to know people on an individual basis, it's impossible to work any other way with out being lumbered with some prejudice around your neck.

Originally Posted by Kingfish

Look at the most succesful immigrants in the USA
M

Based on what? According to who? Define Success.

Sorry, but you simply can't back that statement up unless you make assumptions about why they immigrated, and what they deem to be a success. It's effectively telling someone else what their quality of life is, and that cannot be done.

Originally Posted by gregs656

Based on what? According to who? Define Success.

Sorry, but you simply can't back that statement up unless you make assumptions about why they immigrated, and what they deem to be a success. It's effectively telling someone else what their quality of life is, and that cannot be done.

If you don't believe in your self and culture and they are not worth sharing, you are right. Agree to disagree.
M

Originally Posted by gregs656

Based on what? According to who? Define Success.

Sorry, but you simply can't back that statement up unless you make assumptions about why they immigrated, and what they deem to be a success. It's effectively telling someone else what their quality of life is, and that cannot be done.

Success-Being happy or at least living in persuit of happiness.

Happiness- Owning you own success and failure and not being jealous of others success.

All of course within limits of common sense and a few basic rules.

Tolerance

It is our differences that make us fit together so beautifully

Originally Posted by gregs656

I have never, ever, heard that before. Infact, when ever it is on TV here they have ALWAYS interviewed the mothers and asked how they would feel if their daughter CHOSE to wear the full kit.

IMO, it's all just xenophobia and people would be better off to get to know people on an individual basis, it's impossible to work any other way with out being lumbered with some prejudice around your neck.

Technically speaking. In conservative places I am sure that the women would have been beaten by her husband for talking out of turn. In the conservative parts you have to get permission from the man of the house to speak to any of the women in the house. Now I am sure that there are grades of conservative and that not all conservatives beat their wives for speaking out or need to ask permission before speaking to his wife/daughter. That being said, in Turkey, Istanbul to be precise, there exists both the old school conservative and the newschool conservative. The old school being above and the new school being that the women have more of a choice about what they where. That is not to say that the man still doesn't have the final say, but if they are part of a newer conservative movement the men may not have as much say as they used to. In which case the wife is probably honoring HER family by being covered. Being that it is her father's custom.

I am not even sure that any of that makes sense.

Originally Posted by icedog

Tolerance

It is our differences that make us fit together so beautifully

I can't believe that you got Mr. Toes to sit still. Was that after he beat the dog up or was he tired from an escape attempt?

I like to think I'm pretty tolerant of others cultural differences, however, there is a line and tolerance for wife beating and child mutilation is far beyond it.


I love how the same people who still scream about the oppression of women in this country are the same ones who jump to defend the "cultural differences" of a group of immigrants to another, when that culture gives the men the power of life and death over their women. Just somehow doesn't make sense to me.