Thread: Presidential speech to our children.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

The parents have to learn to do that before they can teach it to their children.

Amen. Nowadays it seems like people feel so entitled yet have no accountability.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

I wasn't worried about the speech itself, I am worried about the Obama culture infiltrating our schools. When this is the way schools address politics it scares me.

Yeah... I get scared about Obama too, he is DEFINITELY the first president to do something like this... oh... wait... George Bush Presidential Library and Museum :: Public Papers ... well Wildtim... how do you reconcile that? were you OK with the "Bush" culture infiltrating the schools? perhaps you were in school at the time and that's why you are unable to be objective today?

Originally Posted by terrierpike

... well Wildtim... how do you reconcile that?

Timmy doesn't have to reconcile a damned thang. He's wild.

"Conservative kids"! hahahahaha! I tell ya I really hope that no one is really stupid enough to limit their children like that.

Ah, nevermind.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

Far better, I think, to teach your children how to think critically, how to dissect and break down an argument, sift through and weigh up what they have heard, and come to their own conclusions. Listen to everything, think about it all, determine their stance. The alternative is that you are eventually going to create the very country you are currently worried America is becoming.
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You are forgetting the main problem: if you break down his speech, it makes sense. It is positive. His message is proven by the very fact that he is the first black president, when that would have been considered impossible when he was a kid.

Why is that a problem you ask?
Well, if you're a die hard republican who is covinced that Obama is evil ... how would you reconcile this with your worldviews?

Originally Posted by Wildtim

I wasn't worried about the speech itself, I am worried about the Obama culture infiltrating our schools.

Were you worried about this as well? Personally I thought it was a bit over the top, with the 'under God' bit, seeing as the US is supposed to be a secular state. That part was pretty scary imo.

And I personally think it would be better to swear to the constitution instead of the flag. The justice bit sounds good though. A president who went to war over lies should get some of that.

Originally Posted by commiecat

First, I think it's hilarious that we're calling them "conservative kids". I'd argue that branding your child's political beliefs when they're still using crayons is more worrisome than the image they're coloring.

I don't really remember specifics of my early elementary years but I'm sure I had to color an outline of George Washington. You think I knew anything about Washington's politics? I knew he was the first President and my teacher had me color him in. It's not like it had any affect on my eventual political views.

Yes conservative kids. A major topic of discussion on the bus was who they would vote for, of course their opinion was based on their parent but thats beside the point.

The school system was deliberately passing out campaign literature favoring one candidate during an election. Had the school put a commercial on television with the same wording as the coloring book it would have been illegal. But because it was a "educational project" the school got to endorse a candidate and campaign for him with no repercussions.

The George Washington example is completely irrelevant, as he was not campaigning for the office at the time. Thats my problem with this, not that there were pictures colored and reports written, but that they were one sided, politically motivated and during an election.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Were you worried about this as well:

What about it?

Originally Posted by Bruno

the US is supposed to be a secular state.

Actually it is just the opposite - the US government is supposed to protect the freedom of religion, religion being the worship of God

I would be more scared if the pledge read "...one nation under the President, Chief Justice, and Speaker of the House..."

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Actually it is just the opposite - the US government is supposed to protect the freedom of religion, religion being the worship of God

I would be more scared if the pledge read "...one nation under the President, Chief Justice, and Speaker of the House..."

Aye. That's what it means. The government is a-religious, but protects the freedom of religion.

A government wanting its subjects to declare themselves subjects of 'God' is not acting out its defined role. It tries to foist religion on the people.