Thread: Nature proposal that will get me hanged

Actually the potable water reserves in 36 states are extremely low nowadays, and those states will probably face shortages by 2013.

Originally Posted by khaos

This is what I'm saying! By actively TRYING to change the environment- for what we think is better, or what we think is worse, aren't we possibly hindering the earth?

Yes, we are.

The modern man is arrogant. However, I don't think anything will change for a time.

If it were up to me, I think I would turn the clock back to when metal was a mystery. I don't think we would loose out on much, we would gain as much anyway.

This is a very difficult discussion to have. I agree that if we lived in caves the earth could repair itself, but wouldn't we use up all the O2? I believe too that is was the Hershey Chase experiment that created some kind of molecule that lead to the bacteria etc..
At any rate, I think that growth is faster than can be sustained, but human knowledge of genetics doubles every five years so I think the intellectuals will figure out a way for us to survive. I hope this is the case, but I believe this will not come to pass in my lifetime because evolution has a way of balancing the world.

Originally Posted by khaos

My point is while we would like to survive... how can life progress without a species adapting/evolving, or dying out? I'm not saying we would adapt to the new CO2 atmosphere- I'm saying we would die out and be replaced. Eery thought is all.

I feel that the life forms on Earth are pretty robust at this point, I think that it would take a major catastrophic event to wipe out the major players. Unfortunately major catastrophic events happen often to the earth considering how long its been around.

No one, or at least no one who is a responsible part of the discussion, has suggested that global warming, man made or not, is going to destroy all life on earth. It will certainly bring about change, but as you point out, change and evolutionary adaptations to it are a constant feature on this planet.

When the Earth actually becomes threatened, or humanity becomes threatened (whichever comes first), whoever is in charge had better pool their resources and figure out some kind of space colonization option.

In this society, how will we stop the increasing population, even if we completely stop burning fossil fuels using aerosol, the whole 9 yards. None of that fixes overpopulation that will most definitely ensue.

Colonization is the only option.

Originally Posted by Oglethorpe

When the Earth actually becomes threatened, or humanity becomes threatened (whichever comes first), whoever is in charge had better pool their resources and figure out some kind of space colonization option.

In this society, how will we stop the increasing population, even if we completely stop burning fossil fuels using aerosol, the whole 9 yards. None of that fixes overpopulation that will most definitely ensue.

Colonization is the only option.

A massive population reduction would also solve the issue, whether it be via war, pestilence, famine, etc. are all much more viable options than space colonization.

Yes, but unless one fancies oneself a Hitler of sorts, we have quite the quandary.

Originally Posted by khaos

Yes, but unless one fancies oneself a Hitler of sorts, we have quite the quandary.

Listen, it's about time science minded folk put their money where their mouth is.

If:

Way way back in the day (some of you might remember) about 6 buhzillion years ago, we had a noxious, volcanic atmosphere of things such as cyanide and sulfur. Out of this mess it is theorized that amino acids, nucleic acids, and the likes were spontaneously formed (can be done in a lab in good conditions). These were the building blocks for structures of organic molecules that eventually became anaerobic bacteria. These anaerobic bacteria digested a lot of that other crap and produced O2. Over another buhzillion gerzillion trillion years, O2 became a major component of the atmosphere. Which gave rise to aerobic bacteria, which over the next 10x10^99230948234 years evolved into sentient life and eventually humans.

Then:
The fact that modern day industrial complexes are churning out greenhouse gasses, dioxins, noxious gasses of many kinds, should be bound to produce not a reduction in habitat, and killing of species, but rather it will obviously lead to prime conditions for the very creation of life itself! For every industrial solvent factory located overlooking an open pit coal mine there is a new Earthling waiting to be formed!

All that's needed is the right mix of PCBs, a nutrient rich "soup" in a runoff pond from a toxic dump,and a bolt of lightning or something, and viola! Life! Easy as pie!

So, enough with the hand wringing, and "save the environment" campaigns. That is so 90's! Fuggetabouttit!

How can you help?

Step #1: crawl under your car and wail away at that pesky little catalytic converter under there that is trying to "protect the envirnement". Go ahead, future protozoens and ameobas are counting on you.

Step #2: Hair spray--that's right, let's unleash the power of aerosols again! Burn a hole in that ozone layer, as we may also need UV radiation to spawn new life as well.

Toxic soup, lightning bolts, and UV radiation! It can't miss!
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