Thread: Swine flu martial law in MA

Everyone is thinking of this in relation to the Swine Flu and of course this is rediculous however if some illness sweeps through the population and people start dropping like flies the healthy will be demanding such things and then it will too late to start talking about it.

The thing with distaster recovery is this: if you don't have everything planned out up front, the plan itself is a disaster.

's like backup and recovery scenarios at network or server level. if you haven't done all the talking, thinking and preparing up front, then you will be in even deeper doodoo when things go pear shaped.

I assumed the government either already had this type of authority, or would certainly act in the manner described should, as others have stated, a true and wildly deadly communicable disease started to quickly ravage the population.

The conspiracy theorists already believe the government is shoring up for some such thing. Surfing Youtube recently I came across some footage where people filmed thousands of above ground concrete remains boxes stacked two high in long rows and with room enough in each box for many bodies. There were separate people who posted such footage on youtube from IIRC Illinois or Indiana and Georgia? It could simply be very well thought out and carefully planned prudence on the part of the government should something ever happen.

Then, conspiracy theorists also chew their fingernails over the fact that billionaires like Ted Turner have said publicly that in his opinion, the optimum world population in the best of all worlds would be 300 million people.

Project extermination or reduction? Meh, I'll just continue to keep on keepin on.

Chris L

As such this act feels insane or over-reacted, but what this text doesn't say that surely these clauses wouldn't come in effect all at one time. Only when necessary to stop things turning worse.
Every modern state has plans made for various uncommon situations, that is no big deal.
Surely this doesn't mean that as the first cases of dangerous disease is detected, your Nation Guard starts to "arrests without warrant or judicial process" etc. It's only when the situation gets worse. In the modern state all actions performed by auctorities must have an reasonable cause, even in a state of crisis.
Of course for the conspiracy theorists these this kind of text is real candy. They see things how they like it to be seen.

The possibility of such power and authority being wielded against Americans is scary!

You must remember that half of the people out there have below-average intelligence. Personally, I'd rather not subject my family to the consequences of the brilliant plans each of them might hatch for dealing with some doomsday virus.

I do not want to fight with anyone and there are a lot of smart people on here that I respect, however this is something that has been coming for a while. Fear is a weapon in and of itself. The swine flu is not as bad as they have hyped it.


Governments have killed more people than plagues and Swine flu ever will. Need remind you of all the genocides throughout history. Do not be fooled to think that it can not happen here or will not happen here.

These are examples of crazy people with access to too much power. I am not saying our current pres or our next one will do this. Who stands to gain from martial Law? The person who gets to declare it. Read directive 51.


Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50)
49-78,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908)
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000
Suharto (East Timor, West Papua, Communists, 1966-98) 800,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000
Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987) 570,000
Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39) 500,000? (Chinese civilians)
Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71) 300,000 (Bangladesh)
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Libya, 1934-45; Yugoslavia, WWII) 300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) ?
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-99) 100,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) ?
Richard Nixon (Vietnam, 1969-1974) 70,000 (vietnamese civilians)
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83) 70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000
Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, 1947) 30,000 (popular uprising)
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 (dissidents executed)
Francisco Franco (Spain) 30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)
Fidel Castro (Cuba, 1959-1999) 30,000
Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam, 1963-1968) 30,000
Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000) 25,000
Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89) 20,000
Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe, 1982-87, Ndebele minority) 20,000
Rafael Videla (Argentina, 1976-83) 13,000
Guy Mollet (France, 1956-1957) 10,000 (war in Algeria)
Harold McMillans (Britain, 1952-56, Kenya's Mau-Mau rebellion) 10,000
Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone, 1997) 6,000
Osama Bin Laden (worldwide, 1993-2001) 3,500
Augusto Pinochet (Chile, 1973) 3,000
Al Zarqawi (Iraq, 2004-06) 2,000

Yep, I did copy and paste these number from a website that tracks these things. Please don't think me as crazy. I am a functioning member of my city. But, I am worried about the attack on my privacy and liberty for some gain of so called security. I am more scared of my government than any flu or terrorist.

I guess you guys can go get my tin foil hat now

Can't let an opportunity like a piggie flu crisis go to waste....

Anybody else out there think that major pharmacutical corporations stand to make big bucks from flu vaccines, especially if the media has hyped things beyond all reason?

Chicken pox was an annoyance, now it is a government mandated vaccine for children. Hmm......let's see now, every kid born nowadays must recieve this vaccine, how many hundreds of thousands of doses does that make for? CHA-CHING!

Honestly people in general are stupid, or so self involved that they really don't care about anyone else's health....


I hate, Sickies, you know who you are too, yer the A$$ that coughs all over, sneezes all over, that comes to work or school sick because you are so damn self centered that you think that the world will collapse if you stay home...
So if it takes an act of Congress and the National Guard to put your dumb sick butt in bed more power to them....

Can you guys tell everyone here at work is sick, but me????
I hate them all, stay home where you belong, you sickies....

So yes I can see in Pandemic emergencies, the need to enforce quarantines and even worse...