Thread: GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE TRUE/FALSE

Sorry JCD, that wasn't meant to be directed at you, just a general comment.







[Al Gore]

Originally Posted by 59caddy

i still submit that it is a cycle and will reverse as always.. if you look back at the weather data 1934 was one of the warmest years and we did not have nearly the CO2 emissions then as we do now. this planet will be here many, many years from now and so will man and everything will carry on as always.
new york and all the other coastal states will still be much as they are today.

They haven't been like they are today for that long, though, really. So what evidence to you have to suggest that nothing will change.

I reckon, for example. California is going to keep changing at a fair rate. In fact, all the coastal states whether global warming occurs or not, simply because they get hammered by the oceans 365 days a year.

Carry on as always? Which always would that be? When has anything been static enough to carry on as always?

Just because climate is cyclic, doesn't mean we are not having an impact or exacerbating the situation. I reckon that, for example. dodo populations were cyclic (like just about every other species), until we killed them all?

There are scientists debating every theory going, from where I'm sat, everything is a theory. It's a working hypothesis which we go along with until we have the evidence to suggest otherwise. I believe I have two legs, but that doesn't mean I'm not an insane one legged man with the perpetual belief I have two legs.

The fact is, whilst the minority of scientists are opposing the idea of global warming, the majority are not. Indeed, you have to look at each individual source and decide on bias for your selves.

Prof. Richard Lindzen of M.I.T. and leading world meteorologist and climatologist recently demonstrated (not with pretend computer 'models' which are bias and scewed) that CO2 does not and has not driven global temperature (oh no Al Gore, your scam is coming apart at the seams, wonder if he'll have to give the money back when the masses realize that he is just a con man like we have been saying). This should be wide spread and for the scammers very unwelcome news very soon.

[QUOTE=commiecat;479284]Global warming itself is quite factual and not a theory. There might be theories as to why it happened, or how long until [insert resource here] is gone, but it's absolutely true that our planet's average temperature has increased since the '50s.



i had to make sure of the statement i am about to make so i went to a couple of friends who retired from teaching in the mid 70's and asked a question. they concurred that i was right and that they as science teachers taught that the world was really moving into a mini ice age. this was taught in school in science class into the mid 70's. neither friend had any of the actual text books but both remembered well the subject which was by then prominent scientists. i wish i had the books to reference.
my point being if children were taught this until the 70's. what happened to all the previous claims? they may or may not have been proven wrong.
if this being so, are we anywhere closer to the real facts now as then.
i agree that most of this is all about massive amounts of money to be scammed from you and i as taxpaying citizens!!!!

About money? Oh no, that couldn't be, because people like Al Gore are selfless humanitarians of the highest moral fiber and are only interested in our good will and keeping mother earth safe, we are so fortunate to have them watching over us like devoted mother hens ready to attack anyone or anything that threatens our safety and wellbeing (YA RIGHT !).

climate change happens. The atmosphere was created by some very small forms of life lots of them over a very long time so we have air to breath but there are millions of cars and each car is more efficient at pumping out pollution then the processe of forming the atmosphere.

The planet does not need saving we do.
More extreme weather is what we will have in the future for us and rising sea levels are a fact there are already populated ilands that have been evcauated because of rising sea levels.

It is only right and proper that we do what we can and if every one did there bit they can save a little money in the process and maybe leave a world fit for our children.

I would never have said this thread was a year old.

Originally Posted by gregs656

I would never have said this thread was a year old.

I will: "This thread is a year old."

Carry on.

Matt

Forget the models if you want. Fine. Let's deal with reality. I use cell culture incubators every day and they regularly inject CO2 into the chamber in order to maintain a constant elevated level of CO2 in the chamber. This is done in order to maintain a relatively constant pH within the culture medium. CO2 influences pH levels of my medium and also the pH level of the ocean.
The reality is that the level of atmospheric CO2 has risen. Whatever you consider to be the cause of global warming, you have to concede that the level of atmospheric CO2 has increased.
That CO2 in the air gets dissolved into the ocean. In fact, the ocean serves as a very large sponge absorbing that CO2 and without it atmospheric levels would be much higher. The result of increased level of oceanic CO2 is a drop in pH--that is, the ocean is becoming more acidic. Unfortunately, because of the requirements of biochemistry, most life forms can only survive in a very limited pH range. Those limits are already being pushed in the oceans. Many species of life in the ocean, including coral reefs and shell-based organisms, rely upon their deposition of calcium based structures to form their equivalent of a skeleton. An acidic ocean interferes with their ability to form, or even retain, their skeletons. The oceans are dying, and if you don't think that will affect the planet or the climate, then just keep right on denying everything and listening to Rush Limbaugh.

There is climate change just like there are 4 seasons, nite and day, etc. There have been periods of ice ages as well as tropical ages when dinos ruled the earth etc. In recent years we have concerned ourselves with the loss of ice in the polar caps. Recently we have been shown photos of land that was covered in ice and now sprouting grass. Who planted the grass or was the seed there from a previous age? Even more recently was the discovery of a human village in Scandinavia 1 or 2 thousands of years old where ice had been for years. Did those people live under the ice? Its cyclical. If the only constant is change, we must adapt. We are subject to the laws of nature, we wont change her mind. We cant destroy the planet nor can we save it.