Thread: GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE TRUE/FALSE

this ought to get some great comments. most of you know i enjoy a great debate. so here goes.
i for one do not believe in any type of global warming/climate change as the facts are just not there. all the hype is based on computer models and not real science. just like the acid rain a few years back, which was proved to be just hype(no skin burns/paint peeling off cars/gravestones being dissolved). i believe it is cyclic. it is pretty easy to look up the weather charts and see the cycles in 20 and 50 years(roughly).
researchers are coming out more everyday stating there is no proof. in fact russian research teams are predicting a mini ice age. since 1998 there has been a slight cooling to the oceans and atmosphere.
one of the biggest claims is the polar caps are melting. what they are not saying is that over the last 15 years or so that the caps were growing and now are going back to their original size.
Al Gore and his crew do not like to be questioned as they have been more and more lately about facts and get quite upset when facts are presented. i guess i would be upset too if i had made millions using scare tactics on the general public and now stand to be disproved.
one side note. Al has one of the most energy inefficient houses here in middle tennessee, using up to 10 times what other homes the same size use. this has been documented here through public records. also his jet flights all over the world put out more so called green house gas than 1000 normal people would put out in a year. this by a man calling for the end of the internal combustion engine in his mostly disproved book.
so not lets hear what all you have to say

Global warming is true as far as I am concerned. I can see the climate where I live change over the years.

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I'm always surprised when I see posts like yours. Clearly there are many claims in it - e.g that the temperature trends of the last 150 years can be explained with 20-50 year cycles, but I have never seen the explanation. On the other hand, I do see a huge and carefully thought out publication from scientists all over the world showing how anthropogenic aerosols and greenhouse gases lead to global warming.

You say: "it is pretty easy to look up the weather charts and see the cycles in 20 and 50 years(roughly)." Really? Please show us.

Thanks,
Shuka

So..if i'm readying this right.. You are not arguing whether or not global warming exists. But whether it is a man made phenomenon?

Originally Posted by 59caddy

all the hype is based on computer models and not real science.

Computer models ARE real science, or more precisely they can be real science, just as non-computer models.
That's what real science IS - models.

Bogus science is bad models or just (often incoherent and controversial) statements.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

i for one do not believe in any type of global warming/climate change as the facts are just not there.

I think it would be good to settle on one direction only - either religion, or science. Because if we'll be mixing religious arguments in this I am not interested and will just stay out of the discussion.

The OP ought to ask a mod to set this up as a 'poll' with members able to vote as well as post .... or not post their opinion.

The polar bears think that the planet is getting warmer. So do residents in Alaska where the permafrost is melting to the point where towns are sinking.

I don't know if it is caused by man but I suspect that with the population growth along with greenhouse gases from industrial pollutants it is quite likely.

Reminds me of a kid going up to the lifeguard and telling him little Johnny is peeing in the pool. The lifeguard says, "Everyone pees in the pool". The kid replies."Off the high diving board ?"

I believe Al Gore has one of these

are we as mankind arrogant enough to think we are doing this much damage to our planet.
let me make one other statement. when MT SAINT HELENS erupted a few years back, all reports were that it put more matter and green house gas into the atmosphere than had been placed there by man since the industrial revolution. there are eruptions almost constantly by a volcano, either above ground and under oceans and seas.(not major outputs but most surely green house gas and matter)
as far as giving more facts. i think you can look this up fairly easy, as it would take up pages here to display all the real facts.

Climate change?? yeah, its called the changing of the seasons.

I believe that global warming does exist and that our planet's surface is getting warmer for at least the following two reasons which I also believe are regarded as fact:

1. I understand the surface temperatures on both Mercury and Venus have risen/are rising as well. No human influence involved there.
2. Our planet Earth is currently classified as being in an ice age, the Quaternary glaciation. Ice ages have cold periods known as glacials and warmer periods known as interglacials. It's a fact that we are currently in an interglacial period which started approx 10,000 years ago.

Although I believe that our Earth's surface is getting warmer, I also believe that human intervention in this change as a significant factor is bogus.

Even if human actions COULD reverse or slow global warming. What's the opposite scenario? Another glacial period? In the extreme, could the choice be having a large portion of the planet become desert or become a permanently frozen tundra?

I'd like to take the time some time to find a link to something I heard on Wisconsin Public Radio within the last few months; an author cited a study done by a professor from a well known and respected U.S. university. The professor's argument was that his data showed that the world's 500 million richest individuals had a combined carbon footprint larger than the entire rest of the population on the planet (think private jets for travel, multiple vehicles and multiple residences, etc). That's all I recall hearing while driving in the car, but it did catch my interest.


Chris L