Thread: Obama’s Nobel peace prize unconstitutional?

Originally Posted by avatar1999

By your standards, a half gallon of milk should cost $8500.00 today based on your definition of minimal.

compared to how much milk I'm willing to sacrifice for Obama (peace be upon him) if called upon, that is minimal

Originally Posted by smokelaw1

Oh, I think who gives it to him is a matter that if not settled, one is being intellectually dihonest (or at least lazy) to condseider this matter closed.

Receipt and disposition of foreign gifts and decorations.It does specify that the President is included in this: (b) An employee may not—
(1) request or otherwise encourage the tender of a gift or decoration; or
(2) accept a gift or decoration, other than in accordance with the provisions of subsections (c) and (d).


Do we have a definition of "foreign gift and decoration?"
1) I think I can argue convincingly that this is not a "gift" read MY last post.
2) What is a "decoration?" Is this a title? Is Nobel Prize Winner inside this defnition?
3) What makes it "foreign?" Does a "foreign decoration" need to come from a goevernmental body? If the awarding body is not governmental, is it really a "decoration?"

If you click the LINK that was at the beginning of that post, yes, it defines terms.

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

If obama wins a 2 vs 2 basketball tournament, does he get to keep the trophy?

I would say yeah, as long as the trophy was of minimal value and didn't have $1.4M shoved in it

Originally Posted by avatar1999

I would say yeah, as long as the trophy was of minimal value and didn't have $1.4M shoved in it

trophies are worth more than money. that's why Obama tried to bring the olympics home

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

compared to how much milk I'm willing to sacrifice for Obama (peace be upon him) if called upon, that is minimal

I don't understand that statement.

Are you saying you'd give him $1.4M if he asked you for it?

If that's the case, feel free, and while you're at it, you can send your shaving supplies to the address in PM

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

trophies are worth more than money. that's why Obama tried to bring the olympics home

WOW! Trophies are priceless?! Anyone wanna buy some trophies and ribbons I won in elementary school? I'll consider trades for Fili's, etc as well

*EDIT*

And if you want to award trophies for something, I say there should be a Mental Olympics. Oh, nm, ideas don't amount to ANYTHING compared to throwing a ball through a hoop. You could teach a monkey to do that...but try getting a monkey to come up with a new form of mathematics, come up with any of those worthless theories that that Einstein guy had...now THAT would be worthy of an award.

Originally Posted by avatar1999

If you click the LINK that was at the beginning of that post, yes, it defines terms.

Oh, quite correct...using their definitions, the code seems clear.
(2) “foreign government” means—
(A) any unit of foreign governmental authority, including any foreign national, State, local, and municipal government;
(B) any international or multinational organization whose membership is composed of any unit of foreign government described in subparagraph (A); and
(C) any agent or representative of any such unit or such organization, while acting as such;

(3) “gift” means a tangible or intangible present (other than a decoration) tendered by, or received from, a foreign government;

(4) “decoration” means an order, device, medal, badge, insignia, emblem, or award tendered by, or received from, a foreign government;


The bold in section 2(c) above I could see as arguable, but a weak argument from the side that would say the committee is "a representative of" the government. They are not, they represent their own goals and organizational ideals, not those of the government. As far as I can tell, this is really the only facet of this debate that is really even arguable.


The Nobel Committee is elected by the foreign government, but is not, in itself, a foreign government. The members are not members of the government. "Until 1936, members of the Norwegian government were elected to the Nobel Committee; controversy over the 1935 Peace Prize ended government involvement in the decision process, and in 1977 an official rule was adopted prohibiting members of the government from serving on the Nobel Committee. The name of the group was officially changed to the Norwegian Nobel Committee in the same year."
From: Norwegian Nobel Committee (Scandinavian organization) -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

So if members of the government are prohibited from being on the committee, are you still claiming that what the committee gives out is from a "foreign government?"

Old Butch:

John was in the fertilized egg business.

He had several hundred young layers (hens), called 'pullets,'
and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs.

He kept records, and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and was replaced.

This took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells and attached them to his roosters.

Each bell had a different tone, so he could tell from a distance, which rooster was performing.

Now, he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.

John's favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but this morning he noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all!


When he went to investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets,
bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, could run for cover.

To John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring.

He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one.
John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Renfrew County Fair and he became an overnight sensation among the judges.

The result was the judges not only awarded old Butch the No Bell Piece Prize but they also awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well. Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making.
Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards
on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when they weren't paying attention.

Thanks Glen!

If Obama's acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize were his only breach of constitutional authority, I'd be happy.

Unfortunately the Nobel Prize is the least of it.