Thread: Climate change and religion

Judge rules activist's beliefs on climate change akin to religion | Environment | The Guardian

I wanted to post this link in the Science/Pseudoscience thread but that has turned into such a monster I thought it could probably do with one less hijack.

Well, now. It appears that deeply held belief in climate change is no different to religion. At least, as determined in a UK court yesterday.

So a lot of the guys here on either side of the line in the sand can now join together in blissful unity. If you believe in god, then believing in climate change is merely a small leap of faith. F-A-I-T-H. And if you deeply believe in climate change, then surely you have the capacity to believe in god?

Mark ,X -- you can now join hands in brotherly philosophy.



(Us Brits like to call this a wind-up, or to put it more succinctly.... I'm 'avin' a larrrrf! )

Seriously though, this just confirms my view that employment law today is just the biggest waste of time, money and resource. It seems everything goes and nothing goes at the same time. How the hell are we expected to get on with things and work (you know, that thing we're paid to do)?

I s'pose it's good for the lawyers though...

No faith is required to believe in climate change. The data clearly shows that average global temperatures increased from the mid to late 1970s until about 2005. The same data also show that temperatures decreased between the 1940s and the 1970s, increased during the first part of the twentieth century and are in apperent decline at the present time. If this is not climate change, then I don't know what would be.

It does take a great deal of faith, however, to believe that these apparently cyclic changes have anything to do with human activities.

Originally Posted by majurey

Mark ,X -- you can now join hands in brotherly philosophy.

Our hands are already clasped, but it's more of a crushing handshake competition.

Originally Posted by fccexpert

No faith is required to believe in climate change. The data clearly shows that average global temperatures increased from the mid to late 1970s until about 2005. The same data also show that temperatures decreased between the 1940s and the 1970s, increased during the first part of the twentieth century and are in apperent decline at the present time. If this is not climate change, then I don't know what would be.

It does take a great deal of faith, however, to believe that these apparently cyclic changes have anything to do with human activities.

Whether one believes or disbelieves this statistic or that theory regarding climate change being brought about by human behavior is one issue.

In broader scope, I would argue that "Earth worship" wrapped in extreme environmentalism IS a form of pagan religion.

Chris L

I really cannot understand how anyone would doubt that industrialization and the dramatic increase in our population would contribute to the climate change. This is not something I've studied but it just seems obvious to me that the pollution we've created must be a contributing factor. Drowning polar bears would probably think so. Natives of Alaska who have to move from villages in existence for centuries because of melting permafrost might also.

Do you think that the fact that so many species have become extinct, deforesting has led to erosion and flooding, overfishing to the eventual disappearance of fish to eat isn't something that 'we' have contributed to ? It probably doesn't matter to me personally since as Bush told Woodward on Iraq, it doesn't matter because when history judges we'll be dead anyway.

If there's another temperature decrease similar to the one from 1940-70, then I'll be a firm believer that it's well beyond our control. With the exponential increase in industrial byproduct that has gone into the environment since then, it'll be safe draw a conclusion at that point.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I really cannot understand how anyone would doubt that industrialization and the dramatic increase in our population would contribute to the climate change. This is not something I've studied but it just seems obvious to me that the pollution we've created must be a contributing factor. Drowning polar bears would probably think so. Natives of Alaska who have to move from villages in existence for centuries because of melting permafrost might also.

Do you think that the fact that so many species have become extinct, deforesting has led to erosion and flooding, overfishing to the eventual disappearance of fish to eat isn't something that 'we' have contributed to ? It probably doesn't matter to me personally since as Bush told Woodward on Iraq, it doesn't matter because when history judges we'll be dead anyway.

The Great Ice Age occured a few years before modern industrialization came along. Thus I submit that climate change, even radical climate change is possible without man made causes.

Just something to consider.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

The Great Ice Age occured a few years before modern industrialization came along. Thus I submit that climate change, even radical climate change is possible without man made causes.

Just something to consider.

I agree and I am not saying that we are causing global warming but I don't doubt that we are a contributing factor. Certainly we cannot control the weather or even predict it with any consistency.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

The Great Ice Age occured a few years before modern industrialization came along. Thus I submit that climate change, even radical climate change is possible without man made causes.

Just something to consider.

really? I thought the last great ice age ended about 50,000 years ago.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

really? I thought the last great ice age ended about 50,000 years ago.

Seraphim is not bound by such mortal details.