Thread: GOD, COUNTRY, DUTY AND HONOR

Although this started off on the wrong foot, there is actually some fact basis for his argument...

the American military made concessions before with many Religions...

the Amish and Quakers come to mind quickly...In fact many skipped Military service during Vietnam by converting to Islam

My reading today came across this: full story here

It was Major Hasan, though, who increasingly felt let down by the military, and deeply conflicted by his religion, said those who knew him through the mosque. Duane Reasoner Jr., an 18-year-old substitute teacher whose parents worked at Fort Hood, said Major Hassan was told he would be sent to Afghanistan on Nov. 28, and he did not like it.
“He said he should quit the Army,” Mr. Reasoner said. “In the Koran, you’re not supposed to have alliances with Jews or Christian or others, and if you are killed in the military fighting against Muslims, you will go to hell.”


I cannot find if this is truthfully or not, in the Koran?????? or if this was just perhaps his own twisted interpetation...????

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I cannot find if this is true or not in the Koran?????? or if this was just perhaps his own twisted interpetation...????

I would not hold my breath, تفسير‎ most certainly isn't your friend here. But there is not such thing as "his own interpretation" with respect to the Qur'an, you need to be a 'مُفسر‎,.

Originally Posted by BeBerlin

I would not hold my breath, تفسير‎ most certainly isn't your friend here. But there is not such thing as "his own interpretation" with respect to the Qur'an, you need to be a 'مُفسر‎,.

sir, what are you trying to hide. most of cannot read or understand what you have said in you post completely. you as a moderator and a man of education should know that not understanding each other completely is what divides us and causes friction and misunderstanding.

BeBerlin. I don't particularly care for this thread either but I agree with 59caddy on this point:

sir, what are you trying to hide. most of cannot read or understand what you have said in you post completely. you as a moderator and a man of education should know that not understanding each other completely is what divides us and causes friction and misunderstanding.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

sir, what are you trying to hide. most of cannot read or understand what you have said in you post completely. you as a moderator and a man of education should know that not understanding each other completely is what divides us and causes friction and misunderstanding.

Trying to hide? Interesting. The point I was trying to make is that there are many misconceptions of Islam. Case in point, that somebody could interpret the Qur'an on his own. It takes tafsīr (تفسير‎) for that, tafsīr being the Arabic word for "exegesis" or "commentary". An author of tafsīr is called a mufassir ( 'مُفسر‎,).

I still cannot follow the logic in your original post: "the point is why we take any chance with our men and women" would, based on your line of reasoning, be equally applicable to any non-Judeo-Christian religion. Not to mention atheists or agnostics. And what would happen if the next shooter was a Protestant?

Originally Posted by BeBerlin

Trying to hide? Interesting. The point I was trying to make is that there are many misconceptions of Islam. Case in point, that somebody could interpret the Qur'an on his own. It takes tafsīr (تفسير‎) for that, tafsīr being the Arabic word for "exegesis" or "commentary". An author of tafsīr is called a mufassir ( 'مُفسر‎,).

I still cannot follow the logic in your original post: "the point is why we take any chance with our men and women" would, based on your line of reasoning, be equally applicable to any non-Judeo-Christian religion. Not to mention atheists or agnostics. And what would happen if the next shooter was a Protestant?

again i go back to the point that i have stated already. these are statements to get the thoughts of others here. you did not see me say we were to ban anyone from the service. i am seeking information from different points of view, not only for myself but for others to learn from.
the more we learn about each other generally brings more understanding.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

you did not see me say we were to ban anyone from the service.

"the point is why we take any chance with our men and women. there are other ways for american muslims to serve our nation without being in the military." Let's apply some basic punctuation and pragmalinguistics, shall we? "The point I am trying to make is: Why do we take any chances with our soldiers? American muslims should not serve in the US Army." Not applying question marks to a rhetoric question still makes it an indirect speech act.