Thread: GOD, COUNTRY, DUTY AND HONOR

this post is about whether or not we should allow muslims into our military in light of what happened at FT. HOOD and also sometime back where a military member tossed a grenade into a tent with fellow service members.
when i went into the service sometime back (1977 U.S NAVY) we were all under the creed that the marines used for hundreds of years until just recently and that was GOD, COUNTRY, DUTY AND HONOR. also with the fact many service members have security clearances and were not even considered for any position if they were muslim or had any links to a foreign government.
i AM NOT trying to insult any muslim, as i see it is their choice of religion and i have no problems with that. the problem i have is when our young men and women are serving and get killed by an extremist muslim serving in the same unit as them. most muslim people i have met are peaceful and great people.
the point is why we take any chance with our men and women. there are other ways for american muslims to serve our nation without being in the military.
i do not hope anyone takes offense, that is not what this is about.

I think this thread sucks

WHY? please elaborate......i want to hear all opinions, that is why i started the thread.

Caddy,

No matter what a person replies to this thread, the THOUGHT POLICE are gonna come out of the woodwork and declare you, me and anyone else who posts, to be narrow minded, bigoted, rotten individuals, who don't deserve the breath of life.
As Jeff Cooper said a few years ago..."As far as I can tell when someone is careful to be 'politically correct' today, he talks like a fool."
Therefore I will refrain from giving my opinion, to avoid vexing the "Professionally Offended."

Regards,

Jeeter

Originally Posted by 59caddy

WHY? please elaborate......i want to hear all opinions, that is why i started the thread.

it could stir a flame war..
what difference does it make the religion? You can't join the military if you are not a citizen. If some citizens can join some can't based on religion, isn't that against the freedom of religion set in stone by constitution?

Originally Posted by 59caddy

the problem i have is when our young men and women are serving and get killed by an extremist muslim serving in the same unit as them.

Your post provides no reason whatsoever to ban all Muslims from the (I presume US) military

I think you're fishing for someone to make your point for you

By your implied logic, any extremist who claims any kind of faith would provoke a similar ban response to all adherents to that faith

More Muslims have put their lives on the line for the USA than the one who went nuts after listening to people's war stories and problems. I think you should explain your reasoning or if you're not willing, to let the thread go

Originally Posted by mainaman

it could stir a flame war..
what difference does it make the religion? You can't join the military if you are not a citizen. If some citizens can join some can't based on religion, isn't that against the freedom of religion set in stone by constitution?

not at all, since the creed i reference is about judeo/christian not any other religion. this was the foundation of this country. it was not about other religion, but freedom of religion when referring to state run religion and how each person wanted to worship GOD.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

not at all, since the creed i reference is about judeo/christian not any other religion. this was the foundation of this country. it was not about other religion, but freedom of religion when referring to state run religion and how each person wanted to worship GOD.

I think you got the bit about the religion of your founders wrong. Same for the GOD part, by the way.

Just a small reminder of the forum rules, gentlemen: SRP rules of conduct - Straight Razor Place Wiki.

Although this started off on the wrong foot, there is actually some fact basis for his argument...

the American military made concessions before with many Religions...

the Amish and Quakers come to mind quickly...In fact many skipped Military service during Vietnam by converting to Islam

My reading today came across this: full story here

It was Major Hasan, though, who increasingly felt let down by the military, and deeply conflicted by his religion, said those who knew him through the mosque. Duane Reasoner Jr., an 18-year-old substitute teacher whose parents worked at Fort Hood, said Major Hassan was told he would be sent to Afghanistan on Nov. 28, and he did not like it.
“He said he should quit the Army,” Mr. Reasoner said. “In the Koran, you’re not supposed to have alliances with Jews or Christian or others, and if you are killed in the military fighting against Muslims, you will go to hell.”


I cannot find if this is truthfully or not, in the Koran?????? or if this was just perhaps his own twisted interpetation...????

I think you should not put too much point on the religion. The nut in Ft Hood was clearly sick and mentally disturbed. No sane person would ever commit such horrible action, regardless of religion. It is a cheap excuse to blame the religion.
I serve the military (here in the backwoods away from the big world). However i have no problems with my mates what it comes to the god they think to worship. We have muslims as well.