I'm Glad I'm on the Downhill Side of This Life

**JimmyHAD** · 11-16-2009, 03:34 PM

I grew up surrounded by smokers. If you weren't old enough to be cognizant of the goings on in the 1950s and onward watch a documentary on the JFK and you'll see that people smoked cigs, pipes and what have you in courtrooms, newscasters while reporting the network news. Teachers had their smoking lounge and kids smoked cigs in the rest rooms (furtively) and out on the field.

There were smoking sections in movies and people smoked in stores, restaurants, bars of course. Even in hospitals. There were very few places where you could not light up. It was wonderful. YMMV.

Everyone in my family smoked all of my life so I don't buy second hand smoke being nearly as bad as reported. I smoked Camels with no filter for 36 years. I gave them up 10 years ago and went completely over to the tobacco pipe.

Just for kicks I asked the cashier in the super market to give me a price check on a pack of Camels (no filter) and the pack I paid $0.25 for when I started is $8.05. The dodgam smoke nazis have taken over and ruined one of the few pleasures a poor man had left.

Yes I know they are bad for you and my smoke shouldn't be inflicted on others but I do take pleasure in being able to tell those fore mentioned smoke nazis that if that won't kill you something else will.

**DPflaumer** · 11-16-2009, 04:08 PM

Ah, so you live in a city then. When I started school in South Carolina it was like smoking heaven. The same pack that cost me $6 in rural Indiana was $2.50 here. It was like a tobacco flavored Christmas.

I also don't buy the second hand smoke crap. People from all the generations prior to mine spent half their lives in a cloud of smoke and the average life expectancy is still 78 or something like that. Clearly not an early killer.

**gregs656** · 11-16-2009, 04:19 PM

If they feel it is affecting their business, then why not.

Thing is, freedom is great, but when your freedom starts impacting other peoples freedom, something is going to give. I don't want to get in to the pro or anti smoking thing.

I've all but quit smoking.

**JMS** · 11-16-2009, 04:22 PM

Here ya go:
YouTube - Life Of Brian - Ending

**JimmyHAD** · 11-16-2009, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by gregs656

I've all but quit smoking.

Anyone can quit, it takes guts to face lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease and low birth weight.

(the warning on cig packs in the USA )

**gregs656** · 11-16-2009, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Anyone can quit, it takes guts to face lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease and low birth weight.

(the warning on cig packs in the USA )

haha, like it. Still, everything in moderation, I enjoy smoking and have just found a balance.

**JimmyHAD** · 11-16-2009, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by gregs656

haha, like it. Still, everything in moderation, I enjoy smoking and have just found a balance.

If you can do that it is ideal . My grandfather always told me that. Being able to practice it is the hard part but it is the truth.

**MichaelP** · 11-16-2009, 04:56 PM

When I started in the 80s they were about .75 per pack, when I stopped 3 years ago they were 3.50 per pack. On a weekly basis, I used to spend more on smokes than I now spend on straights... even with RAD binges. Do I miss the smokes? Nope, not one bit. Would I agree with a blanket ban on smoking? Nope, not one bit.

That being said, as a property owner myself, I can see other reasons than "2nd hand smoke" to ban smoking in my property. Cleanup costs between tenants would be a major one, difficulty to let to a non smoker after a heavy smoker lived in the place is another major one.

Putting it simply, a tenant's freedom to smoke where he sees fit doesn't trump the landlord's freedom to extract a fair revenue from his property with minimal costs.

YMMV and just my 2 cents adjusted for inflation, tax included

Michael

**JimmyHAD** · 11-16-2009, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelP

When I started in the 80s they were about .75 per pack, when I stopped 3 years ago they were 3.50 per pack. On a weekly basis, I used to spend more on smokes than I now spend on straights... even with RAD binges. Do I miss the smokes? Nope, not one bit. Would I agree with a blanket ban on smoking? Nope, not one bit.

That being said, as a property owner myself, I can see other reasons than "2nd hand smoke" to ban smoking in my property. Cleanup costs between tenants would be a major one, difficulty to let to a non smoker after a heavy smoker lived in the place is another major one.

Putting it simply, a tenant's freedom to smoke where he sees fit doesn't trump the landlord's freedom to extract a fair revenue from his property with minimal costs.

YMMV and just my 2 cents adjusted for inflation, tax included

Michael

Tell you the truth Michael I have to agree with the point on cleanup. I don't think cigarettes are as bad as pipe tobacco for leaving a residual aroma. My pipe smoking permeates everything I own. I sell bicycle stuff on ebay once in awhile and I have to add this caveat,"I smoke tobacco pipes and there may be the aroma of tobacco on the item and or the packing for same. If this is going to be a problem for you save us both some trouble and do not bid."

**ursus** · 11-16-2009, 05:22 PM

I don't see why people couldn't ban smoking in the apartments they own: The smell and the color does impregnate the apartment and it might need costly renovation just to get the smell out. Or would the tenants be willing to pay for the cleaning if they had the freedom to choose smoking.

Hah. I see I was beaten by Michael. But the point stands. As a non-smoker, I would not want to live in a apartment smelling strongly of tobacco.

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