Thread: Do you know your rights?

Originally Posted by Hillie

Nobody knows all their rights. That's just due to the fact that one needs to know a truckload of paperwork. Next comes the implementation, which gets adjust/finetuned on a daily basis by our courts. Even the legal scholars have proper knowledge of limited parts only.

Of course, there's a difference between knowing "all" and the "daily usable subset". Whatever that may be, 'cause it may change on a daily basis, and differ from person to person.

And the future approaches us at the exact same rate as it always has. One's perspective on the current situation and therefore future can change, making the rate appear changing.

herein is the problem. judges and our lawmakers here. the constitution was written for the average person to know exactly what was said . now we have activist judges and courts that twist the very meaning of the founding fathers wishes. the one about the constitution being a "living" document is one of the biggest jokes i have ever heard..

Originally Posted by JMS

Hold steady boys. we just have to make it to the 2010 elections.

And then what? More of the same from the other party? Could you please elaborate?

Does it really matter if we know our, "rights," if, as the Supreme Court ruled in 1833, that this Bill of Rights only applies to the federal government, and not the states? Yes, the 14th Ammendment allows rights to be incorporated to the states, but they each have to be incorporated, it wasn't a blanket incorporation. Does it bother anyone else that the foundational documents of our government don't apply to anyone living in a state?

That depends on your definition of living. I certainly am glad the constitution today isn't the same as the constitution of 1787. And I'm quite sure that most women and minorities would agree with me.

Let's face it, the founding father's weren't exactly the greatest guys that ever lived. They were a little less evil than the guys running the government before them. And unlike most, they had the balls to make some changes. I'm sure all Ol Tommy Boy's Babies Momma's were just all swelled up with glee that he was a part of ensuring that the people had the right to alter or abolish their government. They probably pondered on it during his, umm, woo'ing of them in their husbands beds.

This idea that the morals of the founding fathers are some kind of sacrosanct word of God is just nonsense. The concept of basic human rights is established fairly well (although applied horrifically poorly) in our founding documents (including the Bill of Rights). Taking ANYTHING more from them or from their creators as an argument against change is a practice in foolishness.

Every time I see some letter to the editor saying that the founding fathers would want or not want prayer in schools (or some other issue that is being debated) as reason or even consideration for a decision, I just boggle at how intellectually cowardly people have to be to take a stance based on that argument.

I have read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights! They are not a truck load of papers and they are easy to understand.

The Constitution of the United States

The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


The United States Bill of Rights

Bill of Rights Transcript



I have read them over and over and it was necessary for any of my children to read them once a year for as long as they lived under my roof. They have all moved out now but they tell me at least once a year they still read them and ask me how things can get so twisted sometimes. The answer I give them is that we are dealing with humans. If there is ever a revolution ,as Jefferson suggested we needed periodically, those documents will probably still stand because they were put forth by men who accomplished something greater than themselves and most paid with everything they had. Sounds corny, huh? I have friends and family that have paid the supreme price for the words on those documents, not perfect but the best to come along so far!


Take Care,
Richard

Richard, those are not the only laws that apply.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

herein is the problem. judges and our lawmakers here. the constitution was written for the average person to know exactly what was said . now we have activist judges and courts that twist the very meaning of the founding fathers wishes. the one about the constitution being a "living" document is one of the biggest jokes i have ever heard..

What's wrong with laws changing over time? Not all change is good, but not all is bad either...

I understand that they are not the laws that apply but over time individual laws are always revisited. Injustices are of course done but that is the nature of the system. The other side of the coin is the stability of the system that we live in, change takes time. It is no accident, for instance, that the President appoints judges. Our forefathers understood that the legacy of the President would live on in his judicial appointments. That in itself and how it relates to the constitution was constructed is no small matter.

Take Care,
Richard

Originally Posted by JMS

Not all Americans are falling for it. Much of America is waking up. This is why this administration is pushing to move their agenda into place as fast as possible. Once implemented it will be difficult if not impossible to reverse course.

Hold steady boys. we just have to make it to the 2010 elections.

American Thinker: Cloward-Piven Government

Wow, hacking is just disappointingly transparent these days. I'm glad the moderates of the republican party have begun demonstrating that they aren't willing to be a party with the fringe element that has been created. If only there were more Scozzafova's in the world and less Limbaugh's, the republican party might actually be a force for good once again.

I ain't gonna stir this pot. I understand what The Constitution of the United States reads and means... without being twisted or spun. I carry a copy of it and the Bill of Rights and The Declaration of Independence when ever I'm out and about. I also hand copies out to anyone that might be interested in having a read. I'm not surprised at the amount of people who are not in the least bit interested in knowing what they state. It's seems they are content to play the game without knowing the rules of the game. But, so far I've handed out well over 2500 copies of each in the past 3 years. I've run into people that have read them afterwords and have been thanked. I think folks are slowly waking up.