Thread: Thank You, President Bush

I recall a term here that applies well...

"Arm Chair Quarterbacking"

First off gentlemen I hate to point out that you are missing the first rule of war fighting strategy here...

But I'll let you figure that out...

Wow, I can say I am very glad you guys are not in chrage of the defense of the USA...

As to OBL there have been plenty of mistakes made, but IMHO the biggest one was letting the News anywhere near the front...

great point jimmy, let me also add this. we can not as a country fight a politically correct war, if you look back at WWI, WWII we did what was needed to win. for example "D-DAY" the bombing of Japan, both bloody beyond most of our wildest dreams. both bringing the end closer to reality.
if a world leader would drop a nuclear bomb today i shudder to think what the world would have to say.
the wars of past were fought with the old "tactics" and that was to blow up things and kill people plain and simple. that is how a war is won. civilian casualties are a necessary evil of war and to win can't be helped.
if the U.S. wants to win in future battles they are going to have to go back to what worked with men like PATTON. MacARTHUR, not men like Westmorland and men of his thinking.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I recall a term here that applies well...

"Arm Chair Quarterbacking"

First off gentlemen I hate to point out that you are missing the first rule of war fighting strategy here...

But I'll let you figure that out...

Wow, I can say I am very glad you guys are not in chrage of the defense of the USA...

As to OBL there have been plenty of mistakes made, but IMHO the biggest one was letting the News anywhere near the front...

I'm not smart enough to figure that out please enlighten me. As far as the defense of the country, what would you have done or do now ?

Knock knock.
Who's there?
Bill.
Bill who?
That's politics.

Knock knock.
Who's there.
George W.
George W. who?
etc

Personally, I blame Lincoln.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

great point jimmy, let me also add this. we can not as a country fight a politically correct war, if you look back at WWI, WWII we did what was needed to win. for example "D-DAY" the bombing of Japan, both bloody beyond most of our wildest dreams. both bringing the end closer to reality.
if a world leader would drop a nuclear bomb today i shudder to think what the world would have to say.
the wars of past were fought with the old "tactics" and that was to blow up things and kill people plain and simple. that is how a war is won. civilian casualties are a necessary evil of war and to win can't be helped.
if the U.S. wants to win in future battles they are going to have to go back to what worked with men like PATTON. MacARTHUR, not men like Westmorland and men of his thinking.

I agree 100%. If you want to see an eye opener watch a documentary called Fog Of War on Robert McNamara. He describes his working for General Curtis Le May in WWII with the fire bombing of Japan before the a-bombs. In the European theater "Bomber" Harris fire bombed cities in Germany. They didn't call it collateral damage then. They just fought to win. In that kind of war with standing armies opposing that strategy was a winner. In these wars of insurgency I don't know that it is effective. We dropped more bombs on Viet Nam than all of those we dropped on Germany and Japan. They knew we would eventually go home and so do the Afghans and Iraqis.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I'm not smart enough to figure that out please enlighten me. As far as the defense of the country, what would you have done or do now ?

i think i may be able to help.
1. always take the war to "them" no matter who "they" are. take it to their country.
2. go with the attitude of "failure is not an option"
3. search out and destroy all "enemy combatants" if civilians hide combatants then destroy them. we should have learned that in vietnam
4. scorched earth policy can and will be the greatest deterrent to enemies
5. do not let the enemy come to our shores. since our system is not set up to defend within our shores as strongly as other military complex countries
6. reporters get in the way and need to be keep at bay for military strategy reasons.
7. MOST IMPORTANT: politically correct wars CAN NOT be won..

The Cry of the Progressive-Liberal:

"It's all the fault of the Bush administration"
"Bush caused the economic downfall"
"Bush caused hurricane Katrina"
"Bush caused me to trip on my stairs"
"Bush shot Lincoln"

Now don't get me wrong he had/has his faults. He was horrible in fact. But I wonder is he the one that caused the current socialist administration to cram a failed stimulus bill down the throats of Americans. Is he, Bush, the one that is causing the current socialist administration to go against the will fo the majority of Americans by forcing government run health care on us. The current administration decides on bills that will effect all of America for decades with very little thought yet can not decide as to send troops to support our existing forces after having months to do so.

"More is lost by indecision than wrong decision."

Originally Posted by 59caddy

1. always take the war to "them" no matter who "they" are. take it to their country.

Gentlemen we have a winner !!!!!

Originally Posted by DistortedPenguin

The Cry of the Progressive-Liberal:

"It's all the fault of the Bush administration"
"Bush caused the economic downfall"
"Bush caused hurricane Katrina"
"Bush caused me to trip on my stairs"
"Bush shot Lincoln"

Now don't get me wrong he had/has his faults. He was horrible in fact. But I wonder is he the one that caused the current socialist administration to cram a failed stimulus bill down the throats of Americans. Is he, Bush, the one that is causing the current socialist administration to go against the will fo the majority of Americans by forcing government run health care on us. The current administration decides on bills that will effect all of America for decades with very little thought yet can not decide as to send troops to support our existing forces after having months to do so.

"More is lost by indecision than wrong decision."

He was also the one who began the bailout of wall st and the banks. As far as what the current administration is doing.... I'm not happy with it at all but I wouldn't want a Herbert Hoover approach. As far as health care, if they had a strong public option .... something like health care in France or Britain I would be all for it.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

i think i may be able to help.
1. always take the war to "them" no matter who "they" are. take it to their country.
2. go with the attitude of "failure is not an option"
3. search out and destroy all "enemy combatants" if civilians hide combatants then destroy them. we should have learned that in vietnam
4. scorched earth policy can and will be the greatest deterrent to enemies
5. do not let the enemy come to our shores. since our system is not set up to defend within our shores as strongly as other military complex countries
6. reporters get in the way and need to be keep at bay for military strategy reasons.
7. MOST IMPORTANT: politically correct wars CAN NOT be won..

You nailed it with #7 in that PC wars cannot be won. What happened to the days when you marched in and took care of business. Our enemy has no care in the world for our women, children, and elderly. We've been more concerned with "Winning the hearts and minds of the people." then doing what we should be doing.

As a former LT in the US Army I can say that the state of our military has been changed by our liberal leaders from a lean mean fighting machine to trained UN Peacekeepers at best.