Thread: Christmas poll

Originally Posted by Seraphim

The polygraph machine is our master and our king!

Yes! we will submit to our creation rather than our creator

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Yes! we will submit to our creation rather than our creator

Also suspicious is that the patent filed for one of the earliest polygraphs was on January 31st 1931. It is thought that this date was chosen to coincide closely, but not so closely as to arose suspicion with the Christmas holidays, which closely coincided with previous pagan holidays.


Gentlemen, I think we are getting closer to unravelling this mystery once and for all!

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Gentlemen, I think we are getting closer to unravelling this mystery once and for all!

And all it took was just no less than 25 pages of argumentations.
Not so bad at all.

Aw, look. Your crazy Xmas thread got me so enveloped that I missed my 1000'th post!

Originally Posted by Oglethorpe

Aw, look. Your crazy Xmas thread got me so enveloped that I missed my 1000'th post!

Find three of your wrong posts, delete them, then announce your thousandth!

Congrats by the way

The original question was: OK, so do you believe that the person of Jesus being born was a historical fact?

There is enough evidence to prove Jesus being born is a historical fact.

The evidence also shows not 1 but 2 men (Professor Simon Greenleaf and Sir William Ramsey) began as atheists but after longs periods of study to disprove the Gospel Claims they both became Christians. Also these 2 men were separated by over 60 years in their findings.
The evidence also shows That countless people gave their life for the belief that Jesus is God Incarnate. If this were not the case they would not have died!

Faith is the reality of what hoped for, the proof of what is unseen.

As I mentioned before, I said "Yes" in the poll, but mentioned that it didn't matter because that's not what's important in history.

Because of Christians hospitals were started, The poor were cared for, and higher learning for the masses were initiated.

If you want to use courtroom speak, the prosecution rests. And good luck getting a jury to indict based on your "evidence".

You don't wish to try to debunk Law Professor Greenleaf? He was absolutely sure his findings would be proven by the rules of the court of law. No one has even said a word against his findings.

EDIT: By the way, how did we wind up as the prosecution? We aren't prosecuting anybody. We are the jury. We require evidence to convict.

Jesus was already prosecuted, and convicted by those who did/do not believe.You can not be jury because of your predisposed disbelief you are disqualified thus making you prosecution. You are unable to look only at the evidence presented, make an evaluation and come up with a verdict. (I asked for evidence against Christ not for conjecture or personal opinions) Anybody can exist. Nobody can be immortal is not evidence since you do not know what or if there is anything on the other side of death where is your proof to this statement.

When it comes to willful unbelief no amount of evidence will ever influence someone who is hardened to that point.

Originally Posted by ENUF2

The original question was: OK, so do you believe that the person of Jesus being born was a historical fact?

There is enough evidence to prove Jesus being born is a historical fact.

The evidence also shows not 1 but 2 men (Professor Simon Greenleaf and Sir William Ramsey) began as atheists but after longs periods of study to disprove the Gospel Claims they both became Christians. Also these 2 men were separated by over 60 years in their findings.
The evidence also shows That countless people gave their life for the belief that Jesus is God Incarnate. If this were not the case they would not have died!

1.) Please STOP !!!! those books point blank state they don't have proof...
in fact reading them changed my mind from thinking there was empirical proof of a "Historical Jesus" to knowing there isn't...

2.) To every other Christian on here quoting scripture, Hmmmm hello we don't believe, that just doesn't prove anything to us....

3.) The argument that everything else can't be proved either, Evolution, The Big Bang etc etc: just doesn't work, that is like saying well those aren't facts so mine must be... sorta like Mom taught you, two wrongs don't make a right...

4.) What does is matter anyway???? again you have Faith, anything you hear, you believe, since when does proof mean anything to believers????.... in fact proof would negate the need for Faith...

5.) Do you Christians also believe in Ghosts, ESP, Precognition, Magic, Clairvoyance, Demons, Spirits, different Dimensions, mind over matter etc: etc:??????

Originally Posted by gssixgun

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2.) To every other Christian on here quoting scripture, Hmmmm hello we don't believe, that just doesn't prove anything to us....

I believe these debates would fall flat on their face if this stopped.