Thread: HEEEEE'S BAAAAACK...

Originally Posted by 59caddy

the president has stated over and over he wants a single payer plan and wants universal health care. i do not want it.

Are you sure? The Senator has said that.

Originally Posted by Washington Examiner

QUESTION: Mr. President, you've been quoted over the years -- when you were a senator and perhaps even before then -- that you were essentially a supporter of a universal plan. I'm beginning to see that you're changing that. Do you honestly believe that? Because that is my concern. I'm on Medicare, but I still worry that if we go to a public option, period, that the private companies, the insurance companies, rather than competing -- because who can compete with the government; the answer is nobody. So my question is do you still -- as yourself, now -- support a universal plan? Or are you open to the private industry still being maintained?

OBAMA: Well, I think it's an excellent question, so I appreciate the chance to respond. First of all, I want to make a distinction between a universal plan versus a single-payer plan, because those are two different things.

A single-payer plan would be a plan like Medicare for all, or the kind of plan that they have in Canada, where basically government is the only person -- is the only entity that pays for all health care. Everybody has a government-paid-for plan, even though in, depending on which country, the doctors are still private or the hospitals might still be private. In some countries, the doctors work for the government and the hospitals are owned by the government. But the point is, is that government pays for everything, like Medicare for all. That is a single-payer plan.

I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter because, frankly, we historically have had a employer-based system in this country with private insurers, and for us to transition to a system like that I believe would be too disruptive. So what would end up happening would be, a lot of people who currently have employer-based health care would suddenly find themselves dropped, and they would have to go into an entirely new system that had not been fully set up yet. And I would be concerned about the potential destructiveness of that kind of transition. All right? So I'm not promoting a single-payer plan.

Also, in 2007, when starting his run for president, Obama said, "I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentially some transition process."

In 2008, Obama refined his position a bit, saying that his previous statements in support of single-payer were based on the supposition that if the U.S were building a health care system from scratch, then he would favor single-payer.

He's a typical politician, but (since elected) he's not pushing universal health care - at least not in any concrete way. I'd admit I don;t know what happens in the back room deals (See acknowledgment of politician)

Hmmm... me thinks this is getting so far off track from the original intent of this thread that I will graciously bow out at this point and apologize for any inconvenience I may have contributed to

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Why? You don't think every US citizen should have health care?

It seems most European countries can get it done. Maybe they just care more about their citizens.

I DO NOT CARE ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES AND THEIR HEALTH CARE!!!
furthermore where is it a right for everyone to have health care?
every U.S. citizen does not deserve health care when someone else has to pay for it again, since most who do not have health care are covered under many, many welfare programs.
also what about all the illegals that will be covered per Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed? they deserve nothing until they are legal U.S. residents.

Heck millions of illegals are already leeching off of our system so bad that many hospitals have actually had to close down due to bankruptcy especially in southern California.
So, already, not only does every American citizen already have health care, but so do a bunch of theiving illegals.
But if you can afford it then you can, by paying for it, get the best health care in the world here.
That's why the big wigs from Europe and elsewhere come here to get it. Just like the leader from Canada recently came down here for his heart surgery, because up there by the time he could actually get it if he could get it he would only be in worse condition, which would just be another complication.
We don't need the rationing system like so many other countries have.
Instead of having varying degrees of care like we have here, with them everyone gets the same low quality crap and they have lower survival rates because of it while the crooked poli's scam as much moolah off of the system as they can. Ya, they really care for their people, don't they?

Wow! I just thought the billboard was clever.

Originally Posted by wpfontenot

Are you sure? The Senator has said that.


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yes he has

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