CNN & MSNBC are a joke

Cartoon network crushed both of these "trusted" and "unbiased" liberal agenda pushing media outlets in the ratings. HOW SAD! More people wanted to watch Sponge Bob Square Pants than them.

The horrible, despicable, propaganda driven Fox News was #2.

I guess the people just trust Fox News.


CNN, MSNBC, their days are numbered.

Cartoon Network beats CNN, MSNBC « Don Surber

Cable Network Rankings: FNC #2, MSNBC #26, CNN #32, HLN #37 in Prime - mediabistro.com: TVNewser

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/03/29...ontinues/46549

Matt

Thank goodness i only get my news from SRP Conversation forum.

I fully agree!!!

Hey Sponge Bob is pretty cool..

Just because I'm "that guy"

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Originally Posted by mhailey

Cartoon network crushed both of these "trusted" and "unbiased" liberal agenda pushing media outlets in the ratings. HOW SAD! More people wanted to watch Sponge Bob Square Pants than them.
Matt

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Spongebob Squarepants doesn't air on Cartoon Network... Only on Nickelodeon or other channels that paid for rights to it... So, really, you can't even count Spongebob's childhood cults for this boom in ratings...

Just figured I'd throw that out

The kids market is a lot bigger - plus, CN airs "adult" cartoons for Man-boys around midnight.

The news sources only target adults and get big bumps when something important/shocking happens. Also, more and more folks are going online for news. MSNBC and Fox are also cutting the demo further by catering to partisan topics, so they lose out on the other halves.

Moral of the story: kids are where the money is.

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Moral of the story: kids are where the money is.

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So sell them while they're still worth something :D

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Originally Posted by mhailey

The horrible, despicable, propaganda driven Fox News was #2.

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The only thing that matters to me is who's #1, so foxnews can join msnbc and cnn in their fast track to obscurity.
I kind of feel sorry for all of you second raters, but life's tough, hope you've learned your lesson and work harder and make better choices next time.

Shocker. It's a good thing that historically, higher ratings also equates to higher quality in the field of TV and radio. :rolleyes:

Now if Fox could just make cartoon versions of Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly, they'd be unstoppable!

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Just because I'm "that guy"



Spongebob Squarepants doesn't air on Cartoon Network... Only on Nickelodeon or other channels that paid for rights to it... So, really, you can't even count Spongebob's childhood cults for this boom in ratings...

Just figured I'd throw that out

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I stand corrected.

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Originally Posted by mhailey

Cartoon network crushed both of these "trusted" and "unbiased" liberal agenda pushing media outlets in the ratings. HOW SAD! More people wanted to watch Sponge Bob Square Pants than them.

The horrible, despicable, propaganda driven Fox News was #2.

I guess the people just trust Fox News.


CNN, MSNBC, their days are numbered.

Cartoon Network beats CNN, MSNBC « Don Surber

Cable Network Rankings: FNC #2, MSNBC #26, CNN #32, HLN #37 in Prime - mediabistro.com: TVNewser

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/03/29...ontinues/46549

Matt

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Give it a rest.

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7. Busch
8. Busch Light
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10. Miller High Life


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America's most-bought beers:

1. Bud Light
2. Budweiser
3. Miller Lite
4. Coors Light
5. Natural Light
6. Corona Extra
7. Busch
8. Busch Light
9. Heineken
10. Miller High Life


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Alright!! My beer squeeked in at #10!! :beer2::beer1:

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The only thing that matters to me is who's #1, so foxnews can join msnbc and cnn in their fast track to obscurity.
I kind of feel sorry for all of you second raters, but life's tough, hope you've learned your lesson and work harder and make better choices next time.

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Well if you want the number 1 rated news channel, fox is it, by FAR, let me be the first to welcome you. :) According to the numbers in the links in the OP, USA network is the only channel that beat them, and from what I have watched of that channel, theres not much news. Fox news could join the others' march to obscurity, only one problem, their ratings keep going up, so it looks to me as if cnn and msnbc are on their own. On fox if you dont get ratings your gone, with the other channels you get a prime time show, its no wonder one keeps getting more viewers while the others keep falling, and why those falling are pushing so hard for the 'fairness doctrine', since it is so unfair that fox gets all the viewers/listeners.

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Shocker. It's a good thing that historically, higher ratings also equates to higher quality in the field of TV and radio. :rolleyes:

Now if Fox could just make cartoon versions of Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly, they'd be unstoppable!

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Why does fox need cartoons, they ranked higher than cartoon network, it would make more sense that msnbc need cartoon versions of ogerman, and maddow, since they are the ones who ranked below cartoon network. FOX is already unstoppable atleast compared to all other news channels, and all but one entertainment channel.

It seems your saying that us idiots that watch fox dont understand quality, and the shows with barely a viewer are of higher quality. I guess what they say is true, common sense aint so common.

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Why does fox need cartoons, they ranked higher than cartoon network, it would make more sense that msnbc need cartoon versions of ogerman, and maddow, since they are the ones who ranked below cartoon network. FOX is already unstoppable atleast compared to all other news channels, and all but one entertainment channel.

It seems your saying that us idiots that watch fox dont understand quality, and the shows with barely a viewer are of higher quality. I guess what they say is true, common sense aint so common.

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Actually, I was just pointing out that popularity has nothing to do with quality. Fox puts enough cartoons on the air pretending to be "journalists" and "political analysts".

:rofl2:

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Well if you want the number 1 rated news channel, fox is it, by FAR, let me be the first to welcome you. :) According to the numbers in the links in the OP, USA network is the only channel that beat them, and from what I have watched of that channel, theres not much news.

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Oh, I see what you're doing here - since foxnews can't make it "#1 period" they still get to be #1 but in a special "news" thing. Did you learn that technique from the plentiful AAA ratings of CDOs that happened not so long ago?

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Fox news could join the others' march to obscurity, only one problem, their ratings keep going up, so it looks to me as if cnn and msnbc are on their own.

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Ratings-shmatings, as I said all I care is who's rated #1 :p

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Ratings-shmatings, as I said all I care is who's rated #1 :p

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A few more years of this administrations actions and they will be. :p Fox has been gaining momentum with each piece of legislation, maybe we should check to see if obama, and D's in congress own fox stock. ;)

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Give it a rest.

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We have been trying Mr Monkey Inthe Spacesuit but CNN and MSNBC refuse to lay down.

Time will tell...truth is like the sun, you can shut it out for a time, but, it ain't goin' away...Elvis Presley

And then, there's the old saying about opinions...

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The horrible, despicable, propaganda driven Fox News was #2.

I guess the people just trust Fox News.

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One could also argue that FOX is pandering to the opinions of their viewers.
One thing that still amazes me is that the US does not have simple news broadcasts like we do. Whether you watch the news on the national state sponsored channel or the commercial channels, they bring the news in a fairly consistent manner, devoid of emotion or opinion.

News broadcasts in the US otoh seem to be a show.

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One thing that still amazes me is that the US does not have simple news broadcasts like we do. Whether you watch the news on the national state sponsored channel or the commercial channels, they bring the news in a fairly consistent manner, devoid of emotion or opinion.

News broadcasts in the US otoh seem to be a show.

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Very true, Bruno. Very, very, terribly true.

It seems to me that the "news" on almost any network here is meant to shape opinion. It just reinforces the opinion they want you to have. Some to the Right some to the Left. But they seldom deal in depth with the issues. That is part of the reason this country is in the mess that it's in.

When I need comic relief I flip back and forth between Keith Oberman and Bill O'Reilly. Entertainment at it's best... :beer1:

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One could also argue that FOX is pandering to the opinions of their viewers.
One thing that still amazes me is that the US does not have simple news broadcasts like we do. Whether you watch the news on the national state sponsored channel or the commercial channels, they bring the news in a fairly consistent manner, devoid of emotion or opinion.

News broadcasts in the US otoh seem to be a show.

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Then they shape opinion by what they choose to report. It is inevitable that anyone will paint their viewpoint in the most positive light and paint their opponents in a negative one.

For example I listen to National Public radio, something many view as a very liberal news source. I find that they cover stories well and much more thoroughly and thoughtfully than any other source in a very facts only sort of way. However there are many things they quite simply fail to report and this is where you find their slant they show you only a skewed view of the world. Rather than looking at the whole world through colored glasses they use blinders to keep you from seeing things they don't like.

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Then they shape opinion by what they choose to report. It is inevitable that anyone will paint their viewpoint in the most positive light and paint their opponents in a negative one.

For example I listen to National Public radio, something many view as a very liberal news source. I find that they cover stories well and much more thoroughly and thoughtfully than any other source in a very facts only sort of way. However there are many things they quite simply fail to report and this is where you find their slant they show you only a skewed view of the world. Rather than looking at the whole world through colored glasses they use blinders to keep you from seeing things they don't like.

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For example?

what is the viewership of 6:00 and 11:00 news versus Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon?

Probably 10:1 or better. Not to mention internet, radio and newspaper as sources of news. Kids have far fewer outlets to watch than A25-54/A18-49

The fact is, each of these is a vertical network. each reaches a specific demo/psycho/sociographic.

Ratings don't mean as much as you would think.

Higher ratings equals watered down audience equals less targeting for advertisers. With a watered-down audience comes a lower cost-per-thousand the advertiser will pay.

MSNBC get a higher CPM than the kids networks do.


Think of this site. Do you think Lynn and Don's advertisers want a whole lot of Gilette and Schick users viewing? No they don't because those people will never buy the product. So a high audience figure here doesn't mean much.

The restauranteur with the largest number of outlets in France is, McDonalds. So much for French cuisine.

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Then they shape opinion by what they choose to report. It is inevitable that anyone will paint their viewpoint in the most positive light and paint their opponents in a negative one.

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Actually, you'd think so, but that is very rarely the case (not talking about magazines etc). This may seem uncommon to an American, but companies and news agencies don't have a specific political agenda.

The reason is that we have a multi party system, and there is a significant amount of overlap between parties regarding most topics (otherwise it would be impossible to form a government). People don't mind other people having different opinions. Among my colleagues and friends there are people from all sides of the spectrum.

I know that in the US, there are companies and news agencies with an outspoken political meaning. Such a concept is truly bizarre to me as a Belgian. The cultural scene is so diverse that it is virtually impossible to put any slant to the news once the facts are out.

Of course, for socio-political magazines, party newspapers, etc, the story is different. Granted. But when it comes to mainstream news, reporting is fairly equivalent when comparing news sources. The only differences you will find are in the specialization. for example, it stands to reason that the 'financial economic times' will have a detailed analysis of various financial topics every single day, while the 'Antwerp gazette' will focus on topics relevant to antwerp, and the 'current news' will focus on current affairs, sports, etc.

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Originally Posted by northpaw

America's most-bought beers:

1. Bud Light
2. Budweiser
3. Miller Lite
4. Coors Light
5. Natural Light
6. Corona Extra
7. Busch
8. Busch Light
9. Heineken
10. Miller High Life


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The restauranteur with the largest number of outlets in France is, McDonalds. So much for French cuisine.

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comparing these to the news is apples and oranges. in both of these scenarios, there is more than just desire to consume written into the equation of consumption. Price is a key determining factor (especially in this economy). However, when it comes to news, you can just as easily decide to watch CNN, MSNBC, Headline News, or Fox, without any price issues. If you have cable tv, you have these channels, and can freely make a choice on what to watch.

If a fillet mignon was the same price as a double cheese burger from McD's, then I am sure that the double cheese burger will cease to exist, unless changes are made to the double cheese burger. CNN, MSNBC, and headline news are not learning this lesson, and are simply trying to throw mud at Fox, calling Fox biased, while ignoring their own utterly liberally slanted reporting of the news.

Don't even get me started on National Propaganda Radio (NPR).

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Alright!! My beer squeeked in at #10!! :beer2::beer1:

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Nice choice! Although I prefer Bud, I drink MHL when the celebration calls for the "Champagne of Beers"! :beer1:

I'd be curious to see the relationship between news network preference and hours of TV watched per week.

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Don't even get me started on National Propaganda Radio (NPR).

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So Fox News is fair and balanced and NPR is propaganda? Is that what you're saying?

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So Fox News is fair and balanced and NPR is propaganda? Is that what you're saying?

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I'm saying that Fox News is the Filet Mignon of cable news networks, while CNN, MSNBC and Headline News are the $1 menu double cheeseburgers.

National Propaganda Radio is the WIC/food stamps of News. Only listen to what the government wants you to hear. (what a great watch dog of government NPR is. Like they are really going to report on the corruption in the very entity that gives them their money.) How did they cover ACORN? Oh yeah, they wondered why conservatives were attacking this great organization. How did they cover Van Jones? go to NPR web site and look. according to NPR he's a great guy. (their latest one is "The Rightful Return of Van Jones") ARE YOU KIDDING ME????

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I'd be curious to see the relationship between news network preference and hours of TV watched per week.

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news network viewing increases as total TV hours decreases. Regardless of left or right political view.

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I'm saying that Fox News is the Filet Mignon of cable news networks, while CNN, MSNBC and Headline News are the $1 menu double cheeseburgers.

National Propaganda Radio is the WIC/food stamps of News. Only listen to what the government wants you to hear. (what a great watch dog of government NPR is. Like they are really going to report on the corruption in the very entity that gives them their money.) How did they cover ACORN? Oh yeah, they wondered why conservatives were attacking this great organization. How did they cover Van Jones? go to NPR web site and look. according to NPR he's a great guy. (their latest one is "The Rightful Return of Van Jones") ARE YOU KIDDING ME????

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Actually, according to your first post I'd say that Fox News is the $1 burger and NPR is the filet mignon. Look at how many people eat $1 burgers!

And what about ACORN? Are you talking about that silly video scandal in which the DA concluded:

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On September 15, 2009, my office began an investigation into possible criminality on the part of three ACORN employees. The three had been secretly videotaped by two people posing as a pimp and prostitute, who came to ACORN’S Brooklyn office, seeking advice about how to purchase a house with money generated by their ‘business.’ The ‘couple’ later made the recording public. That investigation is now concluded and no criminality has been found.

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Or are you talking about the voter fraud in '08 which was covered well by NPR?

I'm sorry but Fox will lose any battle in which we tally; errors, gaffes, lack of coverage, or agenda pushing.

Here is an interesting take on the topic of Fox news taken from Wiki that looks at if from another angle, essentially, that in part... the comparative differences between Fox's guest line-ups and it's competitors is due to the fact that the other outlets more often ignore the the conservative guests as follows:

Ex-Fox-News personality Eric Burns has suggested in an interview that Fox "probably gives voice to more conservatives than the other networks. But not at the expense of liberals." Burns justifies a higher exposure of conservatives by saying that other media often ignore conservatives.

Simply, another way of looking at it, or, something to take into consideration anyway...Perhaps their marking idea is in recognition that the many other networks and news sources leave a rather large void in the conservative market and they are capturing that market...as a center-right country that would seem intelligent business....I don't imagine Famous Dave's will be starting any outlets in Israel or Victoria's Secret is buying property in Saudi Arabia due to similar market studies...Know what I mean

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Actually, according to your first post I'd say that Fox News is the $1 burger and NPR is the filet mignon. Look at how many people eat $1 burgers!

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He already answered that about 8 posts ago. For a refresher:

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comparing these to the news is apples and oranges. in both of these scenarios, there is more than just desire to consume written into the equation of consumption. Price is a key determining factor (especially in this economy). However, when it comes to news, you can just as easily decide to watch CNN, MSNBC, Headline News, or Fox, without any price issues. If you have cable tv, you have these channels, and can freely make a choice on what to watch.

If a fillet mignon was the same price as a double cheese burger from McD's, then I am sure that the double cheese burger will cease to exist, unless changes are made to the double cheese burger. CNN, MSNBC, and headline news are not learning this lesson, and are simply trying to throw mud at Fox, calling Fox biased, while ignoring their own utterly liberally slanted reporting of the news.

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Originally Posted by commiecat

Actually, according to your first post I'd say that Fox News is the $1 burger and NPR is the filet mignon. Look at how many people eat $1 burgers!

And what about ACORN? Are you talking about that silly video scandal in which the DA concluded:

Or are you talking about the voter fraud in '08 which was covered well by NPR?

I'm sorry but Fox will lose any battle in which we tally; errors, gaffes, lack of coverage, or agenda pushing.

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silly scandal that brought down the entire organization? yes. Silly scandal in which ACORN was complicit in using 15 year old girls in the sex trade? Yes. Voter fraud that ended up with criminal convictions? yes.

Your DA quote was from one of the tapes. I am still waiting for all of the DA's to make their determination.

I'm sorry, but Fox is the best. The rest are crap, unless you consider ignoring stories as great reporting.

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I'm sorry, but Fox is the best.

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Best means #1, and I know you're a lawyer, so from now on all my TV watching will most certainly be Fox until they move down the ratings, if they ever do!