Thread: Hey!! Who's pulling the Bandwagon????

Originally Posted by gugi

That's actually quite easy to answer.
At least that how the representative democracy is meant to work and I think in US it's working quite well. If you don't like the results I think you need to reevaluate the fundamentals.

It is not working quite well. If it were, there would not be so many PO'd people on both sides of the equation with a government that sells itself to the highest bidder sitting in the middle.

And no, we do not need to reevlauate the fundamentals. We need to reevaluate the execution of the fundamentals. The framer of the constitution had it right, but we screwed it up generationally screwed it up.

Originally Posted by Alembic

It is not working quite well. If it were, there would not be so many PO'd people on both sides of the equation with a government that sells itself to the highest bidder sitting in the middle.

And no, we do not need to reevlauate the fundamentals. We need to reevaluate the execution of the fundamentals. The framer of the constitution had it right, but we screwed it up generationally screwed it up.

OK, I think you probably have somewhat different definition of fundamentals than I do, but for the sake of having a rational argument, let's not rely on postulates (framers had it right) and false substitutions (the desired results with the actual framework).

As far as I can tell especially nowadays it is extremely rare that people are denied their right to vote (and of course that's different than it once was, but it was changed within the proscribed process of doing it).
And the different branches of the government still function as prescribed, so there are various 'checks and balances' in place.

If you would to convince me everything is set up properly, but somehow somebody didn't do it as it was meant to be done you will have to point out who, when and what was done wrong and then you'll have to answer my first question, why wasn't that (self)corrected, if the system is really set up well.

From what I can see the current result is just a natural outcome of the way the political system is designed to work. And I have thought about this for several years now, it's not something I decided to post because it just occurred to me.

Originally Posted by gugi

OK, I think you probably have somewhat different definition of fundamentals than I do, but for the sake of having a rational argument, let's not rely on postulates (framers had it right) and false substitutions (the desired results with the actual framework).

As far as I can tell especially nowadays it is extremely rare that people are denied their right to vote (and of course that's different than it once was, but it was changed within the proscribed process of doing it).
And the different branches of the government still function as prescribed, so there are various 'checks and balances' in place.

If you would to convince me everything is set up properly, but somehow somebody didn't do it as it was meant to be done you will have to point out who, when and what was done wrong and then you'll have to answer my first question, why wasn't that (self)corrected, if the system is really set up well.

From what I can see the current result is just a natural outcome of the way the political system is designed to work. And I have thought about this for several years now, it's not something I decided to post because it just occurred to me.

I'm not sure why you believe there is a false substitution in my statement, but if you want to take this offline, I would be happy to teach you about Metaphysics, Epistomology, Logic, Ethics/Politics and Esthetics. I can show you exactly where your metaphysics is incorrect, and therefore you are making illegal epistomological substitutions in your logic statements.

PM me if you want to take this deeper, otherwise, I'm afraid we will be batting a birdie over the net for too many hours in this thread.