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06-24-2010, 02:13 AM #151
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nun2sharp (06-24-2010)
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06-24-2010, 03:57 AM #152
When you say separated by the sin of Adam; who was separated from whom/ Are you saying that God withdrew his essence from man? That he turned his back on man?
What we have as it were is a self created identity. Not to be taken in the freudian sense, but it is sometimes called the ego. You could call it the sin nature if you want to, or you could call it the carnal mind.
Or as Abraham found out was he/is he/isn't he right there inside us waiting for us to be still and quiet so we will recognize that presence withing us?
This is the awareness I was speaking of earlier, not the awareness that I am typing on the computer, or aware the hour has slipped past my bedtime; but, the awareness of Being, the internal awareness of the Eternal.
This is, at the deepest level, who we are. Pure consciousness you might say. The way I see it. God is not a distant being way out in space somewhere. God is Being. That is what makes all these atomic-subatomic vibrations of energy into a seamless, manifest reality.
I think one could accept that and still be a Christian......
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06-24-2010, 05:45 PM #153
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nun2sharp (06-24-2010)
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06-24-2010, 06:08 PM #154
I did the same searching and analyzing when I was being pinged by the Spirit. A lot of intellectualizing. Once I understood the significance of the cross visa vis what God demands as a propitiation for sin I had to feel the need of a savior. To feel that I had to understand that I was a sinner. Once I came to the place, reading the 1st chapter of Romans, that I knew the bible was true, I felt that need. The intellectualizing stopped and the belief started through faith. As far as the 'new man', Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. A cliche but one of those that is true. Read Paul the apostle's seventh chapter of Romans beginning at verse 7 for more on that.
Be careful how you treat people on your way up, you may meet them again on your way back down.
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06-24-2010, 06:37 PM #155
God did not turn His back on man, man turned his back on God thru his disobedience. Man broke the relationship.
God is everywhere but he is not in everything, although he created the tree he does not reside in that tree, the tree is his creation. They are two separate entities, one dependent on the other, the other dependent on nothing but Himself. The difference between you and the tree is this God does want to live within and with you. This was his original intent and He has not changed his mind.It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. Twain
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06-24-2010, 07:06 PM #156
To me it seems difficult to describe what I have said as intellectualizing; especially if you go back a few pages where I suggested the first thing we need to do is set time aside to learn how not to think. To simply be still and quiet.
It would be easy enough to simply drop the discussion.
Why is God not present in every fiber of his creation?
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06-24-2010, 08:04 PM #157
Last edited by nun2sharp; 06-24-2010 at 08:12 PM.
It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. Twain
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06-24-2010, 10:44 PM #158
What do you mean by worship? I do not see how seeing God in everything leads to worship of nature or the self. Though it has not been mentioned so far; it is important to recognize that what we are discussing is beyond full understanding, beyond words-there's only so much we can express with words.
I think it is probably enough to let every moment be as it is, and every action surrendered to God to be your worship. Rituals and such rites are just another; form, of self defining and limiting actions.
Christians are not perfect; amen/ So tell me why they simply do not act on the scripture: All things are possible.... or ask and ye shall receive; etc, etc?
Ultimately it does not matter so much to me what someone believes in
I don't feel the need to change your mind. We could always stop talking about Christ and go be the Christ instead- which is perhaps the answer to my original question.
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06-24-2010, 10:54 PM #159
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06-25-2010, 02:14 AM #160
Ok, there is nothing wrong with seeing the hand of God at work in the Universe, maybe I mis understood the point you were trying to make. By all means enjoy creation, it is what he has made it for. My apologies, I believe we are actually seeing eye to eye on this one, I can marvel at the simplest things in nature and wonder about the hand that created it.
As for believers that believe that all things are possible.....they are out there and doing fine, they are doing the works of Him who has sent them.It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. Twain
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