Thread: NY man shot 21 times by police ...... expected to live

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

No matter how good you are at the range when you're in a gun fight that all goes out the window unless you practice so much when your body goes into brain off mode your training takes over. Also all the practice at shooting at a target is worthless when firing at a moving target and police in this country do not do moving target practice unless you get to go to some fancy firearms course usually sponsored by a Federal Agency.

The FBI actually had reduced velocity 10mm rounds so I would imagine the outrageous cost of the ammo was part of the problem maybe the size of the gun too. My agency had custom loaded 40 S&W rounds by Federal and they were ultra high velocity to the point we had to have both H&K and baretta custom reinforce the pistols otherwise the frames were cracking.

If I recall the FBI switched to address the problem
of auto windshields being at a deflecting angle such that
a different round was needed.

Reinforcing frames is a common need. Powerful handguns going back
to the 357 in the '60s had fragile frames that did not hold up to intense
range/ practice. Almost all "new" handguns needed at least one
revision.

And as others indicated it is hard to hit anything with a handgun (or
long gun, howitzer included) without training and practice.

Most municipalities no longer have a basement range and no longer
fund practice ammo for their officers.

AND it is a shame that they need them at all.

[QUOTE I know it's unfair to compare the accuracy of a French officer using a .22 to that of an nypd officer using a 9mm obviously the larger round is harder to control but I feel that a accuracy of approx. 50% is very much to low especially when it places bystanders and fellow officers at risk. I find the issue of accuracy much more of a problem than the overwhelming force used, as long as the suspect is discovered to have somehow threatened those nearby requiring deadly force [/QUOTE]

If you are referring to the French police issued SIG-Sauer SIG Pro SP 2022 pistol, developed for French police and gendarmerie forces, it is comes in 9x19mm Para, .357SIG, .40 S&W. Not .22. The model number probably made you think it was only a .22. They are also issued 9mm submachine guns.