Thread: Don't blame Pres. Obama...

It is a clip from FoxNews.. I give it about as much respect as I do the Enquirer

A genetic study published in a POLITICAL journal and not a MEDICAL journal is not serious. How can political experts be aware if the study was conducted properly and if the methodology is scientifically sound ? Impossible.

There are WAY too many factors to take into account to link your "openess" to 1 cause.

I can link plenty of things to any cause of my liking if I wanted to. For example, my razors rusts when I leave them in the bathroom. Since I use Dove soap & it's in the bathroom at the same time as my razor, I can conclude that Dove causes my razors to rust. If I wanted to publish that, the last journal I'd call would be a scientific one...

Since this seems to be the way the thread is going to go anyway, just a few thoughts to stir the pot.

Originally Posted by Glenn24

A genetic study published in a POLITICAL journal and not a MEDICAL journal is not serious.

This is not a claim that you can make until you have read the original article (and unless you are a good consumer of genetic research yourself). Many studies get accepted for publication in journals that might not be 100% obvious why. Academics looking for tenure and a legacy will take them wherever they can. There are maybe a handful that would be too proud, but most will take a publication in an odd source than no publication

How can political experts be aware if the study was conducted properly and if the methodology is scientifically sound ? Impossible.

Well on that note, who is to say that "experts" will be aware anyway? There are so many flaws in peer reviewed journal articles out there that people have made their entire careers out of fighting back and forth with other researchers about why one or the other doesn't understand some aspect of what they are doing.


There are WAY too many factors to take into account to link your "openess" to 1 cause. Probably true, but have you actually done any research around this? This is the way things usually start, then researchers start trying to focus on likely contributing factors and search for those that account for more of the outcome than others.

I can link plenty of things to any cause of my liking if I wanted to. For example, my razors rusts when I leave them in the bathroom. Since I use Dove soap & it's in the bathroom at the same time as my razor, I can conclude that Dove causes my razors to rust. If I wanted to publish that, the last journal I'd call would be a scientific one...

Unless someone designed a solid experiment with proper scientific measures/procedures and established evidence that the dove soap was contributing to the rust, and eliminated some of the alternative explanations.

It is an amazing thing to watch. everyday ordinary reasonable people suddenly snap their minds shut at the mention of FOX news. its quite an audible snap too. every time i see it I recall an image of my children, fingers in their ears, eyes shut, screaming "NANANANANANANA I CANT HEAR YOU NANANANANANA" as if something bad will get into their brain.

I'll be honest, I didn't even read the story. I just read the headline and lightly perused the article to about the half way point. The article was not the important part. FOX news wasn't the important part. it was the questions I asked that was the important part to this thread...at least to me. So, if you can lay your prejudices aside for the moment and respond to my questions I will appreciate it, otherwise, please don't bother to respond.

I would like to thank JimmyHAD, Delirium, and AFDavis for responding to the question ( even though Jimmy didn't get it at first) without the prejudgment and rancour that came from some of the others.

Originally Posted by JMS

ranker

Did you mean rancour?

And though I am tempted to blame the President, I will not do so at this time. Because I choose not to!

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Did you mean rancour?

And though I am tempted to blame the President, I will not do so at this time. Because I choose not to!

I did indeed. Thanks for bringing that to my attention

Originally Posted by JMS

I did indeed. Thanks for bringing that to my attention

Anythyme, that's what fronds are four!

Originally Posted by JMS

...maybe he just can't help himself.

Take a gander here:

Researchers Find the 'Liberal Gene' - FoxNews.com

The article said that the liberal gene means you're more open.

Sounds like a good thing to have in a president.

Originally Posted by JMS

It is an amazing thing to watch. everyday ordinary reasonable people suddenly snap their minds shut at the mention of FOX news.

Sorry.. I did actually read the article it just it seems common place for certain news sites to bring together a "weird" combination in order to increase page views similar to what the Enquirer does with those wonderful Bat boy images.

It seems that what they really found was a "social" gene and that because these people are more of a social person and seek more friends they tend to see more thus having a more liberal view. Basically if you are extroverted you tend to be more liberal and if you are introverted you may be more conservative. I think they put it into a political context to increase their page views and stir up conversation during this election year.

Originally Posted by Troggie

Sorry.. I did actually read the article it just it seems common place for certain news sites to bring together a "weird" combination in order to increase page views similar to what the Enquirer does with those wonderful Bat boy images.

...I think they put it into a political context to increase their page views and stir up conversation during this election year.

That is very likely, in fact I think that is exactly what they did.
how do you feel about the idea of free will verses "programmed" I mean where do we stand? I like the idea of free will but do we actually have free will?