Thread: Qualifications for parents

Originally Posted by frank47

All I'm hearing NYCshaver is how certain sectors of our society are victims and need preferential treatment.

What preferential treatment are gays asking for?

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

The school decided to allow them to wear them.

"A Chicago high school has decided to allow a small group of students to wear "Straight Pride" T-shirts, despite resistance from other students"

And that's not all it said on the shirt.

Three students came to school wearing "Straight Pride" T-shirts bearing the Bible quotation, "If a man lay with a male as those who lay with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and shall surely be put to DEATH," which appears in Leviticus 20:13.

And they decided to wear the shirts during the week that the school was bringing attention to the bullying of gays, lesbians and transgenders

I was posting a response to this, but any response just takes this thread further off onto a tangent.

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

What preferential treatment are gays asking for?

To have Gay Parades, Gay Olympics...

I got to go shave now.

Originally Posted by frank47

To have Gay Parades, Gay Olympics...

I got to go shave now.

How is that preferential treatment?

Is having an irish parade preferential treatment to the irish?

Sorry that isn't preferential treatment.

If anyone is asking for preferential treatment it is straight people. They want to be the only ones allowed to be married.

Originally Posted by mhailey

I was posting a response to this, but any response just takes this thread further off onto a tangent.

What's to say? It wasn't an example of straights being denied the right to express themselves.

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

What's to say? It wasn't an example of straights being denied the right to express themselves.

Here, I'll say it one more time:

Originally Posted by mhailey

Here, I'll say it one more time:

So what? Nothing wrong with a thread going off topic. Happens all the time.

If you were really worried about that you could have started a new one when you posted that article.

Originally Posted by mhailey

Here, I'll say it one more time:

I hate to make the obvious point, but the line of the topic is but a mere speck on the horizon now....

So let me drag it back on

The question here is not whether homosexuality is right or wrong or whether someones right to believe either argument is right or wrong or should be protected, the question here is what is correct for the childs physical and mental well being, and whether they can be brought up as rounded individuals.

And in this case whether it was right or wrong to refuse these people as foster carers based on their belief in homosexuality being wrong, now in my opinion it is, and my opinion isn't based on anything other than logical ideal, I have no personal opinion on their thinking. These people may be wonderfully caring people, and theymay make the best home made bread in the county, however.

As a biological parent you have the right to raise your children how you see fit in accordance with the letter of the law, and if that means that if you wish to take your biological child to church or a mosque or out for a prayer to the coconut tree on the beach then you can go bannanas, aslong as no harmcomes to them.

However if the state puts a child in your care , that child is not your child and especially in the case of a foster family, where they may be returned to their biological family, you do not have the right to indoctrinate that child with your beliefs, for a number of reasons

1. They are not your child and may not follow your beliefs and or moral code.

2. They may be returned to their parents, whos belief is in direct conflict with yours

3. The state has the responsibility to ensure that the child is brought up comfortably and healthily both physically and mentally.

Now I fully agree that religious people of any faith should be freely allowed to foster if they provide a safe and loving home, however they also have to accept the fact that we live in a multi cultural society and that children needing foster care can come from any one of the groups within a society, and they should also accept that given this they may have to accept those beliefs and the beliefs of the child they wish to foster. YOu cannot foster a christian child and treat him better or worse than a sikh or muslim or homosexual or cross dressing child, if you wish to better the life of a child through fostering then you have to accept that child, regardless of what you believe their shortcomings to be.

Incidentally in the UK sexual preference is protected under law.

Geek

Originally Posted by TheGeek

I hate to make the obvious point, but the line of the topic is but a mere speck on the horizon now....

So let me drag it back on

The question here is not whether homosexuality is right or wrong or whether someones right to believe either argument is right or wrong or should be protected, the question here is what is correct for the childs physical and mental well being, and whether they can be brought up as rounded individuals.

And in this case whether it was right or wrong to refuse these people as foster carers based on their belief in homosexuality being wrong, now in my opinion it is, and my opinion isn't based on anything other than logical ideal, I have no personal opinion on their thinking. These people may be wonderfully caring people, and theymay make the best home made bread in the county, however.

As a biological parent you have the right to raise your children how you see fit in accordance with the letter of the law, and if that means that if you wish to take your biological child to church or a mosque or out for a prayer to the coconut tree on the beach then you can go bannanas, aslong as no harmcomes to them.

However if the state puts a child in your care , that child is not your child and especially in the case of a foster family, where they may be returned to their biological family, you do not have the right to indoctrinate that child with your beliefs, for a number of reasons

1. They are not your child and may not follow your beliefs and or moral code.

2. They may be returned to their parents, whos belief is in direct conflict with yours

3. The state has the responsibility to ensure that the child is brought up comfortably and healthily both physically and mentally.

Now I fully agree that religious people of any faith should be freely allowed to foster if they provide a safe and loving home, however they also have to accept the fact that we live in a multi cultural society and that children needing foster care can come from any one of the groups within a society, and they should also accept that given this they may have to accept those beliefs and the beliefs of the child they wish to foster. YOu cannot foster a christian child and treat him better or worse than a sikh or muslim or homosexual or cross dressing child, if you wish to better the life of a child through fostering then you have to accept that child, regardless of what you believe their shortcomings to be.

Incidentally in the UK sexual preference is protected under law.

Geek

Thank you for a highly logical and well thought out response!

I guess my remaining question is a matter of whether the article correctly states the bit about "teaching them that it is OK".

Again I believe to provide a loving and caring and *accepting* environment is quite another thing than actively teaching a particular subject.

Originally Posted by TheGeek

I hate to make the obvious point, but the line of the topic is but a mere speck on the horizon now....

So let me drag it back on

Nice job of bringing the conversation back to the OP, and you make some good points.

Originally Posted by TheGeek

However if the state puts a child in your care , that child is not your child and especially in the case of a foster family, where they may be returned to their biological family, you do not have the right to indoctrinate that child with your beliefs, for a number of reasons

1. They are not your child and may not follow your beliefs and or moral code.

2. They may be returned to their parents, whos belief is in direct conflict with yours

3. The state has the responsibility to ensure that the child is brought up comfortably and healthily both physically and mentally.

That brings me back to the question of who gets to be the ultimate authority on what are "common beliefs or moral code" vs. what is indoctrinating a child with an "individual's beliefs". In the case of homosexuality, it is probably not as grey (at least in the minds of most) as other topics may be. It seems to me, that there needs to be a way to establish the line of what is acceptable vs. not acceptable to teach a foster child.