Thread: Gallup Poll: 4 in 10 believe man created by God 10,000 years ago

Originally Posted by chay2K

The one thing that I've never been able to understand is if the laws of nature are dictated by God, and adaptation and evolution are the way that nature works, then why can't these processes be attributed to the hand of God. I'm not necessarily the religious type, but I believe in God, and don't understand why science can't help us better understand him-- the same way we use it to gain knowledge of other things.

Yours is what some would call the "blended" version. But what kinda gets my goat is the part about so many folks believing human beings were created only about 10,000 years ago. Ain't nothing in science that supports that idea.

Originally Posted by commiecat

I agreed with your third point.

We don't know exactly how everything started, but we can prove certain theories wrong. The world wasn't created 10k years ago as far as I'm concerned and the deus ex machina explanation is as silly to me as saying that the world was created the day I was born. Anything that appears to have happened before 1976 is only that way because it's what the divine being wanted us to believe.

Fair enough. Silly to you? Certainly. However, it still all boils down to what you believe. Both sides of this believes something, and I find it as silly to think something came from nothing and systems as complex as we witness were the result of some grand coincidence as I do to think a creator did it...

But at least we aren't being disrespectful to each other.

"It would be interesting to see if the OP had some thoughts on wet shaving with straight razors once in awhile rather than thread after thread on "hot button" issues that seem to be calculated to generate controversy and divisiveness."

Actually, I have a really, really long beard and haven't shaved for as long as I can remember...

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Fair enough. Silly to you? Certainly. However, it still all boils down to what you believe. Both sides of this believes something, and I find it as silly to think something came from nothing and systems as complex as we witness were the result of some grand coincidence as I do to think a creator did it...

Who created the creator of the universe?

And why believe it came from nothing?

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Who created the creator of the universe?

And why believe it came from nothing?

That's easy. God describes himself as "I Am" without beginning or ending.

But, you already knew that, didn't you?

Like I said, both sides boil down to some sort of belief, and neither know definitively.

Originally Posted by richmondesi

That's easy. God describes himself as "I Am" without beginning or ending.

But, you already knew that, didn't you?

Like I said, both sides boil down to some sort of belief, and neither know definitively.

So the Universe needs a creator but God doesn't? If you are admitting that there can be something eternal why invent a god to be that thing when there is no evidence for one?

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

So the Universe needs a creator but God doesn't? If you are admitting that there can be something eternal why invent a god to be that thing when there is no evidence for one?

One fish says to the other, "I love the ocean." The other one replies,"There is no ocean."

First, I'm not inventing anything.

Second, one could argue that the Universe is the evidence of God, and he revealed himself to the world through different events throughout the history of the world.

Third, why do you have a problem with me saying that none of us know definitively something that none of us know definitively?

We will know one day, though...

I am arguing about using the bible as a book of facts.
When it comes to things like the age of the earth, I have the laws of physics and the evidence on my side. All those things confirm each other and can also be tested by predicting things and then checking those predictions.

The '10000 years' myth can even be a belief. But calling it science and teaching it as such... yes, I call that stupid. You seem to say that under no circumstance should I use that word.

To call it science is to completely fail to understand what 'science' is.
Look, I don't know what caused the world to come into being. Neither do you. There are several creation myths, and based on which belief you have, you believe one or the other. And I don't belittle that.

However, denying the entire corpus of verifiable science in favor of something that has NO basis in observable reality, and to call that thing science...

Faith = The whole hearted belief that something that can not be seen, touched, smelled, heard, nor tasted or in any other way be proven... Absolutely positively without a doubt still exsists...

If you use that same definition on anything else other than some form of Deity you would be considered insane....

You cannot ever argue Faith, you either have it or you don't, there never can be proof, or it wouldn't be called Faith


Ummmm BTW which "God" created all this??? I mean there are quite a few still out there