Thread: Gallup Poll: 4 in 10 believe man created by God 10,000 years ago

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Since the bible is a book that comes from an oral tradition that was handed down over the centuries and in the earlier versions copied by hand, by scribes one page at a time, there are variables in what these surviving manuscripts tell us. The same can be said for the holy books of all other religions/belief systems.

These belief systems are, in many cases, using allegory to illustrate their point and weren't meant to be taken literally. We Homo sapiens, generation after generation, seem to think that we know what the truth really is on any side of any issue. The longer I live the more I am convinced that "we" don't know very much at all.

Big bang ? Global warming ? God ? All I know for sure is if any of these religious systems, be it Christianity, Buddhism, Islam or Hinduism are true, than they are either true or they are not. If one of them is true, it is true for everyone, or if not, it is not true for anyone.

I would hesitate to refer to someone who believes in God, whatever their belief system, as "stupid". They may very well be right and no one really will know until death reveals the truth one way or the other.

It would be interesting to see if the OP had some thoughts on wet shaving with straight razors once in awhile rather than thread after thread on "hot button" issues that seem to be calculated to generate controversy and divisiveness.

This could be my favorite post in my entire time here

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

It would be interesting to see if the OP had some thoughts on wet shaving with straight razors once in awhile rather than thread after thread on "hot button" issues that seem to be calculated to generate controversy and divisiveness.

Ever the optimist

I'm surprised that it is as low as 40%. You don't have to have a higher education to see that the world has a design.

It's kind of weird that we can look at anything at all in this world that has a design and will attribute it to a designer but when it comes to the most complicated designs of all like the human brain we somehow have fooled ourselves in to thinking that it could have come about by accident.

That's like if we went to Mars and found Mount Rushmore and started arguing on how long it took for wind errosion to make such a formation.

Originally Posted by volleykinginnc

I'm surprised that it is as low as 40%. You don't have to have a higher education to see that the world has a design.

It's kind of weird that we can look at anything at all in this world that has a design and will attribute it to a designer but when it comes to the most complicated designs of all like the human brain we somehow have fooled ourselves in to thinking that it could have come about by accident.

That's like if we went to Mars and found Mount Rushmore and started arguing on how long it took for wind errosion to make such a formation.

Ah yes, but sir, by the use of my faculties I've determined that you are arguing that humans are NOT the most intelligent beings in the universe. Tsk, tsk, I'll be a monkey's uncle.

Chris L

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Ah yes, but sir, by the use of my faculties I've determined that you are arguing that humans are NOT the most intelligent beings in the universe. Tsk, tsk, I'll be a monkey's uncle.

Chris L

Actually, I'm arguing that it has nothing to do with intelligence. My 2 year old can distinguish whether a bench or a rock was made by a person.

It's really very simple, no science, no logic, no thinking really. If you believe you accept what the book says literally and to the tee and you don't question it and your quest is to do whatever it takes to make everyone like you no matter the means.

The Bible never was or IS a book of science. It does not describe methods or systems very clearly.

The person in Genesis writing about the creation was (most likely) Moses, who...let's face it...wasn't there at the time. He'd seen the creation of the world (most likely in a vision or such) and in a few simple verses describes what he'd seen.

That's like describing an hour and a half football match as: "First one team had the ball and was doing well, then the other team got the ball....and won"

It's not a description of the plays/strategy they used, the players that were in the game or anything like that.

There's a LOT of gaps in Moses descriptions. He mostly describes who did it....and that it happened (and a little about the order of creation). Nothing more. Not the how which is what science tries to explain.

The Bible isn't enough to explain creation. It never claimed to be either. It focuses on other (more important) stuff like how to make the best out of your life.

Science is important as well. Just not for the same things that the Bible focuses on.

Originally Posted by volleykinginnc

I'm surprised that it is as low as 40%. You don't have to have a higher education to see that the world has a design.

It's kind of weird that we can look at anything at all in this world that has a design and will attribute it to a designer but when it comes to the most complicated designs of all like the human brain we somehow have fooled ourselves in to thinking that it could have come about by accident.

That's like if we went to Mars and found Mount Rushmore and started arguing on how long it took for wind errosion to make such a formation.

Otoh, there is a very simple set of mathematical equation that describe the entire working of electro magnetism, gravity and quantum physics. When I was still majoring in engineering, I could write them on the back of a napkin.

Out of these equations, there are many solutions where you can set up pseudo random input, and end up with perfectly symmetrical output, like snow flake crystals, galaxy spiral arms and the rings of saturn.

On the biological front, we have DNA, and evolution which can explain why we end up with eyes. Simulations have shown that you can get from a light sensitive surface to a fully functioning eye in about 600 generations.

The mechanisms are there to create beaty from chaos. Imo, if you want to look for a creator, then marvel at the beautiful simplicity of the laws of nature that govern such a magnificent world, and consider them the primary work of the creator. This is pretty much how I consider them.

I don't, for a second, believe that God had to make an effort for each and every single thing, deciding upon cerebral hemisphere structure, and cornea size while ALSO making sure he wasn't violating the laws of physics. True genius would be to set up the principles and then letting the entire thing take care of its own, and not having to manually structure everything.