Thread: Gallup Poll: 4 in 10 believe man created by God 10,000 years ago

Saying there is no god is begging the question as well.

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Saying there is no god is begging the question as well.

No it's not. And I never said there was no god. I said there was no evidence of god.

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

No it's not. And I never said there was no god. I said there was no evidence of god.

Yes it is. You said man invented God. That means you said there is no god (outside of the realm of man's imagination). That means, by necessity, that God did not inspire the writing of the Bible (according to you). Again, begging the question.

Either way, you believe something. If you take any stance one way or the other, it requires you to beg the question.

I'm the only one in this conversation (that I recall) that says I truly don't know, but I believe...

Thereby, NOT begging the question because I'm not assuming anything true. I'm telling you what I believe.

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Yes it is. You said man invented God. That means you said there is no god (outside of the realm of man's imagination). That means, by necessity, that God did not inspire the writing of the Bible (according to you). Again, begging the question.

I said the concept of god was invented by humans. I'm assuming nothing.
There is no circular reasoning.

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Either way, you believe something. If you take any stance one way or the other, it requires you to beg the question.

I have no stance on how the universe started. I just say I don't know.
It might even be something we can't know.

Originally Posted by richmondesi

I'm the only one in this conversation (that I recall) that says I truly don't know, but I believe...

Thereby, NOT begging the question because I'm not assuming anything true. I'm telling you what I believe.

I said saying "the Universe is the evidence of God" is begging the question.

This forum, though very interesting, is probably not equipped, shall we say, to adequately dispose of a topic such as this has become. There are some interesting points being brought up. I would invite the members here who wish to debate their favorite position on theism or atheism to my favorite forum for such matters, Rational Skepticism. That place exists for disagreement. Typically, a thread such as this on a shaving forum causes significant disagreement, and shaving forums don't tend to tolerate such disagreement well.

Look for me, The_Metatron, and start up a post. In no case will you be subject to a personal attack, but your positions will. Ruthlessly. You have to be able to separate the two.

See you there, I hope.

Originally Posted by TheMetatron

...shaving forums don't tend to tolerate such disagreement well...

This isn't your typical shaving forum.

Originally Posted by HNSB

This isn't your typical shaving forum.

I completely disag...

Wait. Maybe you're right about that.

Fundimentalist come in all forms, Christian agnostic and atheist.... Christians seem to be fair game to pick on because of their tolerance and are still being slaughtered all over the world to this day. There are many scientists who are Christian and are anything but fundimental. Everyone needs to be treated with respect regardless of their cognitive abilities.
God reveals himself to all who look for Him, regardless of their thinking abilities.
Science attempts to explain reality, man is humbled when he figures out how little he knows. The most arrogant are often the ones who know the least.

how about this