Thread: UA for Public Assistance?

The thought of helping a socio parasite to be a recidivistic maggot with my tax dollars is unacceptable to me. But a large number of welfare recipients really do need some help because they can't get enough work to earn the money to survive. A solution I often think would work best for everyone wold be to deport every Illegal, and with the massive surplus of jobs that illegal's supposedly take up, then turn to welfare recipients and say "Congrats, You now have a job. One more year and welfare is done forever." I personally believe that letting people depend on money from the system isn't doing anyone any favors, except liberal politicians.

Originally Posted by gugi

I fully support this, but only as long as random drug and alcohol tests are required for everybody else who is getting paycheck from the taxpayers. Including veterans, judges, governors....
If there'll be getting rid of the crackheads and drunkards the best place to start is from those who can do most damage, i.e. the ones with power.

Would the irresponsible bank CEO's & huge companies who are getting billions of $$ from the government so their arse can be saved be considered as people getting checks from the taxpayers ? Just immagine how much the taxpayers would save if only one of them was found to have an irregularity in his platic cup.

Originally Posted by bharner

Here in VA you can get from $18-$115 a month. Back when I used to partake of the green stuff I could pick up 1/8thoz of it for 5-20 depending on quality and what kind of quantities it was bought in. If one was to buy an oz of the cheap to mid grade stuff it could usually be had for 50-70 and that will last most people a little while. Meth can be had for about the same price and the people that use meth aren't usually too interested in food... Not to mention that down here you get a debit card and just punch in a PIN number to use it so anyone can have access to it and what you can buy is pretty open (no booze, tobacco, meds, or stuff prepared in store)

I guess my idea of a drug addict is more bottom of the barel than that, like a junkie who used the water from a puddle to prepare the needle that just came out of his buddie's vein. Someone who probably can't even get anything mailed to him, let alone use a PIN number.

I know this is a touchy subject and everybody thinks they're right (including myself). But I not only support this I beleive you should have to contribute some sort of community service if you are able, obviously if you are disabled then you can't. But why should people be allowed to sit home and smoke blunts and pop out a kid every 9 months to get more wellfare. It's disgusting and the people that think it's an invasion of privacy or is embarrasing or humiliating are moron's. If your not on drugs you shouldn't have any problem pissing in a cup (MAN UP). There are way to many sensitive bleeding hearts in this country who want to help the people that don't want to help themselves. I also agree with other statements about making the system more like wic. I often times see lobster, ny stips, full racks of ribs etc. getiing scanned and then.....wait for it.....OUT COMES THE EBT CARD!!!! I'm not a hateful person but I sometimes wish they choke on that food. I also noticed a comment that said something about testing the judges, and govenment employees. I think they do get tested but if they don't I don't care they have job and aren't sucking of the taxpayers tit. And to top it all of a hardworking, homeowning, taxpaying, married with 1.5 kids middle class adult like myself can't get squat for gov't aid to go back to school. TEST EM ALL AND TEST EM OFTEN!

Awesome! Now taxpayers wont have to pay for a few drug users to be on public assistance. They just need to pay for administering millions of drug tests every year.

Originally Posted by HNSB

Awesome! Now taxpayers wont have to pay for a few drug users to be on public assistance. They just need to pay for administering millions of drug tests every year.

My sentiments precisely. I truly don't believe people on welfare are the problem. Welfare is the problem Get rid of it!

I needed a new SSN card so I went down to the SSN office and my eyes were opened. If you want a reason to believe public assistance/welfare needs to end go to any SSN office and listen to the conversations. Topics will include what to write on the forms to get the most from the government or which doctors to go to for exams. Even the people who work there are telling applicants what to write. They walk in with the support of a cane or crutches and when in the parking lot going home walk away without any problems.

Originally Posted by HNSB

Awesome! Now taxpayers wont have to pay for a few drug users to be on public assistance. They just need to pay for administering millions of drug tests every year.

Very good point. This whole thing has to do with principles more than it does with saving a few bucks. Those who think it will save money are wrong, it'll only make sure that people will feel they are not getting their tax dollars stolen by junkies. They'll be giving them to an additional expensive publicly administered government program instead.

So, if the botom line is $$, then this law will be completely and utterly useless.
It is strictly about not giving free money to junkies, which is can be a perfectly good reason to pass this law, I'm sure we'll find plenty of arguments to debate about this.

Now that brings another question: What happen's next ? Do the junies think rationaly and just say "Ah crap, I don't have enough money. Oh well, I'll just stop taking drugs". But if they think rationally, they wouldn't be doing drugs in the first place....

Or do they just steal an old woman's purse to get the money ?

I think I'll go and have some lunch, I'm finding questions but no anwers.

Originally Posted by Str8Edge

I know this is a touchy subject and everybody thinks they're right (including myself). But I not only support this I beleive you should have to contribute some sort of community service if you are able, obviously if you are disabled then you can't. But why should people be allowed to sit home and smoke blunts and pop out a kid every 9 months to get more wellfare. It's disgusting and the people that think it's an invasion of privacy or is embarrasing or humiliating are moron's. If your not on drugs you shouldn't have any problem pissing in a cup (MAN UP). There are way to many sensitive bleeding hearts in this country who want to help the people that don't want to help themselves. I also agree with other statements about making the system more like wic. I often times see lobster, ny stips, full racks of ribs etc. getiing scanned and then.....wait for it.....OUT COMES THE EBT CARD!!!! I'm not a hateful person but I sometimes wish they choke on that food. I also noticed a comment that said something about testing the judges, and govenment employees. I think they do get tested but if they don't I don't care they have job and aren't sucking of the taxpayers tit. And to top it all of a hardworking, homeowning, taxpaying, married with 1.5 kids middle class adult like myself can't get squat for gov't aid to go back to school. TEST EM ALL AND TEST EM OFTEN!

Please mind the tone. It's contradictory to preface with "I'm not...", and then completely go against it in your next line. Wishing strangers to choke is a pretty hateful thing. We monitor these threads closely as they tend to get heated, so please keep it civil.

I'm with Gugi and HNSB on this. Rick Scott made his money in health care (with controversy as Jimmy noted) so it wouldn't surprise me if there were ulterior motives on this decision. If we're going to monitor people that receive tax dollars then monitor all of them. Have fun testing those kids at public universities receiving financial aid!

You can have a job and be on WIC/EBT, and I find it hard to believe that you can't get help to go back to school. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that any public college or university would have some sort of financial aid available for working fathers regardless of what your schooling history was.

Do people abuse welfare? Yes
Does welfare need serious reform? Yes
Is the welfare system even necessary? Absolutely, now more than ever.

Originally Posted by commiecat

Please mind the tone. It's contradictory to preface with "I'm not...", and then completely go against it in your next line. Wishing strangers to choke is a pretty hateful thing. We monitor these threads closely as they tend to get heated, so please keep it civil.

I'm with Gugi and HNSB on this. Rick Scott made his money in health care (with controversy as Jimmy noted) so it wouldn't surprise me if there were ulterior motives on this decision. If we're going to monitor people that receive tax dollars then monitor all of them. Have fun testing those kids at public universities receiving financial aid!

You can have a job and be on WIC/EBT, and I find it hard to believe that you can't get help to go back to school. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that any public college or university would have some sort of financial aid available for working fathers regardless of what your schooling history was.

I do apologize for my tone. My goal was not to upset anyone. This subject enrages because I see it happening everyday. I even work with people who don't want the hours cause they will lose their wellfare. If you are willing and able to work then work. I've tried all kinds of funding and all I can get is $1,500 dollars a year. Again I apologize and never intended to be "that guy".