Quote Originally Posted by TURNMASTER View Post
No No, gugi is correct that was improper english.. The point still stands, there are many people in this country who are able to work yet refuse to do so.
I used to believe that too. I can tell you first hand, that at least where I live, that is not the case. There are far less jobs here than people willing to work.
My attitude about a lot of these things has been changed dramatically in the last several months.

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Point 2 he is also correct. There are business men whose model is to make whatever widget they produce using any means possible to drive down costs.
Why is everyone so angry at business lately? Let's face it - if not for the business being profitable, you wouldn't have a job.

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Point 3 somewhat correct. Many machinists outside of the union struggle with negotiating their wages. This is the USA you are worth what you can get. I do know many who are underpaid. (IMO) Often the reasons for staying at the less than stellar company have to do with other life style choices. Is it really worth driving the extra 50 miles a day to move from 40k to 55k? Other than the pay they are content with their lives and tend to live accordingly.
I don't know what your job market is like, but earlier you stated that there weren't enough qualified machinists to go around. Now you're saying that many of them are underpaid. Those statements are in conflict - if there is truly a shortage of qualified people, companies that need them would pay whatever it takes to get them. Look at the boom in North Dakota. Jobs that would be minimum wage here start at $18-$20 out there, because of a severe labor shortage.

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Funny thing though, manufacturing creates wealth, banking does not.
I am confused by this... Could you please define "wealth" in this context?