Thread: HK USP 45 Pics

Originally Posted by urleebird

If guns kill people, I can blame misspelled words on my pencil.

lol, I like that Bill.... No longer am I illiterate! It all my pencil!

But it will make it more difficult for the criminals to make the results of the violent crimes permanent.

That is not true... sorry.

getting the needle isn't a large psychological jump.

I don't care about the deterrent argument. It keeps them from doing it again. People only do what they know they can get away with.

The key to reducing crime is to create a society where fewer people will feel desperate enough to turn to violent crimes and its consequences.

Sorry, again. That's not the answer. The key is to make it known that no matter how bad you got it, you can't use a gun to get it. This society of yours will NEVER exist... unfortunately. I wish it too, but it ain't happenin' in anyone's lifetime.

Drive by shootings are more popular than drive by stabbings

Cute phrase, but it means nothing.

With such drastic reductions in violent crimes, having a gun for home defense won't be nearly as necessary.

A REDUCTION ain't cutting it for me. I also disagree with your assessment of a drastic reduction in crime just because you give them a hand out. These people already get emergency care for free. Ever seen anyone turned away from a hospital?

They don't want jobs... I'll repeat, they don't want jobs. They don't do it out of desperation, they do it because they are predators. I spent the last ten years in a jail taking care of these idiots, remember?

Ever talked to a murderer? I have had lengthy conversations with dozens of them. Conversations that lasted years while they went to court. I got to see first hand what criminals are all about. These are not nice people.

They don't care about you.

Until you understand that, you won't get the other part. I'm not ragging on you, Ilija. I know you mean well and you have a good heart. That's the problem... you don't see it for what it is.

Bill, I beg to differ on the death penalty as someone who served 25 years in prison for a single count of murder isn't likely to repeat his crime. However, our prison system concentrates too much on punishment and too little on rehabilitation. Prisons became schools for more educated and more violent criminals.
However, for that I blame the whole social structure. There's an uneven distribution of wealth and we outsource our labor too much. The richest of the rich live in an unprecedented state of opulence, while the poorest of the poor are at the same level as their counterparts in third world nations. A person flipping burgers or selling shoes in your average North American city (which includes Canada, as I'm not saying that we're perfect either) can't survive by working full-time. It takes about 20 hours of overtime at time and a half for mere survival in the projects. Therefore, we are negating the achievements of the labor movement. The employer can't legally force the employee to work 12-16 hour days but by giving wages that are too low for the actual costs of living, he forces the worker into virtual slavery by necessity. That's why quite a few young people coming from a poor background make an early choice to go to a life of crime instead of slavery.
Then the big businesses are shooting their collective selves in the foot for a quick buck. Yes, they get cheaper labor from workers in China and India and that drives the local unemployment up and wages down. Their local employees are willing to work more for less money. That also drives the prices down and makes the product more attractive to the consumer. That sounds good, right? Well, the local consumer will receive less money for his work, so he'll have less money to spend on the product, thus negating the benefits of the lower prices. With lower purchasing power of the consumer, the sales will also drop and the big businesses will have to re-think their strategies.
Western Europe is more protective of its labor force and its production and that's one of the main reasons why they have lower crime rates than we do in the Americas. People are less desperate, so they're less willing to risk their lives and freedom to survive.
Yes you do have free emergency care, but free regular care would prevent a good number of those emergencies. Canada isn't perfect either. Prices of medications (not covered by government health plans) are insanely high. An antibiotic therapy that I can buy for $5 in Europe costs about $50 in Canada and AFIK the cost is significantly higher in the States. I am talking about the same antibiotic, same strength, just an insanely higher profit margin.
The bottom line is that greed dominates our society. Our economy is based on it and so is everything that stems from it. That is what motivates big corporations shaft the honest worker legally and criminals illegaly. If you're a Christian, you know what our faith OFFICIALLY says about greed.

Wow boys you really know your stuff...when I was 14 i got my first .22 Rifle, a martini action BSA that I stripped, cleaned and loved...unfortunately it was my only weapon. Since then I have never owned anything more than a water pistol...lol, work,mortgage and starting up on my own in life came before recreation.

The current Govt. really got into power by capitalising on the feelings of people after a guy walked into a class room and shot a teacher and a class 0f children in a school in Dunblane, the average age of those kids was 5 years old, the shooter,Thomas Hamilton I believe was his name, then turned the gun on himself.
The Police were found to have failed etc along with others...basically its a good job he killed himself.

Alot of people say guns are bad, wrong, irresponsible dangerous people are, I enjoy guns and was in a club for years as our laws are far more rigid about ownership.

I mean what do you guys in the USA think of the fact that our regular police are only armed with truncheons and sprays yet have to wear a stab/bullet proof vest?
We have trained units only.

Bill I enjoyed reading your piece and it makes me think how lucky I am where I live right now, dont get me wrong, criminals with guns exist here too but not in the same way, we dont experience drive by shootings or stabbings, most of the violence here is someone getting a good kicking, deserved or not...a friend of my wifes was delighted to see a bar brawl that didnt have any weapons, just good old fashioned fists and a little normal cursing..( she was from New Orleans)

I think that the death penalty should be brought back in the UK and even the Birch or similar to what they use in the far east.

Anyways I thought the fist post in this thread was awesome nice pics of the Handgun. I would like to get back into some sport shooting when I move over the pond so we will see how it goes...

My tuppence worth and if it doesnt make sense to anyone Im sorry but my explanations in type can get me a little confused.

regards,simon

Originally Posted by urleebird

Recoil? Ha... I'll tell you guys what. If any of you post a video of you shooting 3 rounds from a 416 Rigby with less than 30 seconds between shots, I'll give you a free razor... a nice one.

Bill,

How's about a single shot Sharps .45 2 1/10 launching 540 grain slugs? (see avatar)

Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

Bill, I beg to differ on the death penalty as someone who served 25 years in prison for a single count of murder isn't likely to repeat his crime.

As I said in my last comment on the subject. Most people who spend 25yrs in prison become institutionalized. They litterally become dependant on the jail and dont function right in society. This is not myth or some crazy idea someone came up with... its a cold hard fact and a very small percentage of inmates spending the majority of thier life behind bars can deal with life outside of prison. Typically you wont get a 25 yr sentence for "Innocent" crimes so more than likely you are dealing with a disturbed individual in the first place... I promise 25 years of prison isnt going to change that. Im not saying there isn't an exception to the rule... but from personal experince, I can say that long term prison sentences dont cure crime.

Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

However, our prison system concentrates too much on punishment and too little on rehabilitation. Prisons became schools for more educated and more violent criminals.

I do agree with this. But I dont think that an entire nation should suffer at the expense of a sick individuals mental health. Those tax's that are used to "Help" those prisoners is the exact same thing that causes an excess of lower class... those say cant afford to live without 20+ hours of overtime. You see a cycle here? I mean look at me. Im 24 and self employeed. I support 4 people and I am suppose to pay 52% of my income to tax's? Just some rough math here...

-- Rent - $1500
-- Util - $420
-- Food - $1200 (@400/wk with 4 people) I pay more than that.
-- Vehicle loan - $400
-- Insurance - $140
-- Cell phones - $180
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Total (Basics) $3,840/m ( so I have to make what? $7,600/m just to be
broke?)

This doesn't even include Fuel, buisness expenses, that soda you grab at the gas station... nothing... And I know I spend more than $1200 in fuel a month...... Now I have to make double that just to break even? Even with 3 people working in this house... thats a lot of money... -mumbles- If I payed all my tax's I would be living in a cardboard box... -Cough, cough- Anyhow... Not only do I have to live like this for those criminals to have an easy life in jail... the entire nation has to fight the same problems? And after paying all those tax's... more than 75% of inmates released are repeat offenders? Prison/rehabilitation isn't the answer to crime...

Once again, just my take on the topic.

Ok -- before this degenerates into a brugh-ha, can we get back on-topic. SRP is not the place to debate the merits of incarceration and/or variuous forms of penalty/reform, even in the Off-Topic Forum. Please?

Ok Joe,
I'll back off even though I had a reply ready. Sometimes I get too caught up in politics lol.

Yeah... politics, religion and abortions are always dangerous grounds. Sometimes things are probably left unsaid

Bill,

How's about a single shot Sharps .45 2 1/10 launching 540 grain slugs? (see avatar)

Nope. Not unless you shoot that one off your chin. The rigby only has a 400+ grain bullet, but muzzle energy over 5,000.

I shot it out of a Ruger model 1 with only a half inch pad. My mistake, boy howdy. I never want to see another 4 inch long shell the rest of my life if it goes in something that pressed against my shoulder.

Here's one interesting article on the 416...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/858504/posts

Josh, you can have that baby gun with the light, I want this one...

http://tinyurl.com/gnlt6