Thread: This burns my bacon! More nanny state bureaucratic nonesense.

Well, what I want to know is, 'How do we protect those kids/people who suffer from bee sting allergies? Are we going to ban bee's from school grounds and other areas? Or do we ask the bee's to kindly avoid stinging those people who have allergies to the sting?' I know it has nothing to do with eating, but the reaction of an allergic person being stung are the same as that of a food allergy. What laws 'might' protect them from bee's I wonder?!


Mick

Originally Posted by MickR

Well, what I want to know is, 'How do we protect those kids/people who suffer from bee sting allergies? Are we going to ban bee's from school grounds and other areas? Or do we ask the bee's to kindly avoid stinging those people who have allergies to the sting?' I know it has nothing to do with eating, but the reaction of an allergic person being stung are the same as that of a food allergy. What laws 'might' protect them from bee's I wonder?!

See, e.g., above (plastic bubble). Two birds, one bubble!

But we're going to have to make it enforcable by law, so that we can justify our actions...


Mick

Originally Posted by MickR

But we're going to have to make it enforcable by law, so that we can justify our actions...

You keep your bubbles away from me!

Even if I put two good looking birds in there with you?! What kind of man wouldn't want to live in one of those bubbles?! Come on, ya know you want one of my bubbles now, don-cha?!


Mick

What happens when the kids grow up and get jobs and they haven't learned how to protect themselves? I think this is a learning experience that must be taught right away. Whether you are allergic or epilleptic or diabetic we have to teach personal responsibility so that they can survive. My parents are deceased. No one can protect me but me. Kids can't be sheltered from every possible outcome. The more we shelter them the less equipped they are to know how to handle unforseen circumstances.

Originally Posted by Kantian Pragmatist

...and if the restrictions on other's behavior that could trigger the allergic reaction are reasonable, then those restrictions should be made and enforced... The reasonable solution to this dilemma is to not allow a kid with such allergies to come into contact with other kids, not give him a supply of epipens and say, "good luck, I hope you don't run out before recess."

I guess Spock was wrong then, the needs/wants of the few/one outweigh the needs/wants of the many. I'm not saying give the child an epipen and goodluck with that. My question is, where does it end? So one child has a peanut allergy, so does that means the entire school is now peanut free? One child may not eat any pork products because it's against their religion, so does that mean the school bans pork. When did we start catering to the minority?

Originally Posted by MickR

Well, what I want to know is, 'How do we protect those kids/people who suffer from bee sting allergies? Are we going to ban bee's from school grounds and other areas? Or do we ask the bee's to kindly avoid stinging those people who have allergies to the sting?' I know it has nothing to do with eating, but the reaction of an allergic person being stung are the same as that of a food allergy. What laws 'might' protect them from bee's I wonder?!


Mick

Mick, are you not keeping up with the scientific news, apparently the ubiquitous cell phone towers are killing off the bee population. Those children will soon be rid of that nuisance and be free to run around the playground. Of course, we as human beings will lose one of the biggest plant pollinating species, but it'll be worth it.

Originally Posted by ReardenSteel

I guess Spock was wrong then, the needs/wants of the few/one outweigh the needs/wants of the many. I'm not saying give the child an epipen and goodluck with that. My question is, where does it end? So one child has a peanut allergy, so does that means the entire school is now peanut free? One child may not eat any pork products because it's against their religion, so does that mean the school bans pork. When did we start catering to the minority?

Precisely the logic that makes it illegal for people to smoke outside at say a beach or a public park. I think it's totally transcended and logical reasoning and has become an issue of control and progressively making us a country who is agreeable to having every breath we draw regulated by our benevlolent government. Maybe I'm crazy but I didn't know a single kid when I was young who didn't routinely live off a diet of peanut butter and something. Apparently kids back then had a heartier constitution.

Once again, we are flying off into the realm of hyperbole, gentlemen.

If someone is allergic to a bee sting, there's not much you can do but be prepared to react, but when it's a situation you can control, such as not allowing potentially dangerous food to be near the kid, what is wrong with that?

There's a big difference between being overprotective and doing everything possible to make sure your child doesn't come into contact with a substance that is likely to kill him or her. Believe me, I know people with these types of allergies and they take very good care of themselves and have done so for many years, but to expect a kid to do that is a bit much. And to expect other kids in the school to be aware of the allergies of their little friend and steer clear is not fair to the kids.

There's a big difference between "catering to the minority" in the case of their religion or food preferences and helping to lower the risk of death via allergic reaction. It's a very easy risk to eliminate. I mean, come on...giving your kids peanut butter at home and ham or turkey sandwiches at school is not a sign of the apocalypse.