Thread: 100% Effective

There's always this option...


Mom meant well. LOL

Originally Posted by gugi

Really, you too? And I thought you'd be responsible enough to use a dictionary.

No, the main problem is actually the hypocrisy. If only instead of preaching, these self-proclaimed conservatives start matching their words with deeds and stop mooching from the government but become self-reliant it'll all be fine and peachy. The reality, as demonstrated in recent studies, is that they are instead somewhat delusional - they don't even realize they taking from the government social programs and claim to be self sufficient at the same time as they are heavily using the dole. May be if those conservative politicians can grow a pair and actually cut some of the 'fat' despite the cost of not being elected, now that's what I'll call a good start.

And then there are all those priests impotent to do their job and convince their sheep to be responsible, abstinent and not use contraception, no surprise they want to blame their failure on the government. Last I checked Jesus never blamed the government, and it used to be a little bit more tyrannic and unaccountable than the one americans chose themselves.

So, here's my solution - spending those 25 cents on a mirror.

"Maybe" is supposed to be one word and "Americans" is supposed to be capitalized. Sorry couldn't resist.

We all lose our dictionary sometimes.

Oh yes, because typos are the exact same thing as knowing the actual meaning of words.
I have a new proposition though. Americans must show that they have learned their own language, or be stripped from their citizenship. It may or may not teach personal responsibility, but it certainly would make for a more cohesive nation. Let's see who is conservative enough to support this.

It just struck me as funny Gugi. We all screw up be it spelling, context or even definition. Doesn't reflect anything about a persons intelligence or the validity of a person's argument. Just means we are all human.

I think I will stick with "all men are created equal" whether they have a good vocabulary or not.

I respectfully disagree. The government mandating that a certain group disregard their religious beliefs and provide goods and services prohibited by their religious tenants is (in my estimation) one hell of a good reason to get your panties in a wad. Since when is government intervention required to make contraceptives available anyway? Every damn grocery store, gas station, convenient store, or drug store has aisles and aisles of this stuff availability is NOT an issue. If your religion prohibits the use of such items that's your choice NOT the government's. I'd really prefer that our benevolent leaders concentrate on really significant issues like an economy that's been in the toilet for 4 years, a president that entertains terrorists at the White House, and supreme court justices that view the Constitution as a pesky little document.

The government has already mandated certain groups disregard their religious beliefs Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye v. City of Hialeah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and it has done so in the past many a time. In that respect I agree it is a time to get panties in the wads but it just seems odd to me that it is only when certain religions are believed to be attacked (not necessarily attacked but believed to be) that people stand up. Anyways to the second issue I go to a college in a pretty rural area of New York State, and even out there I can say that birth control is widely available but I will say that in the inner city (which is near my home address) while birth control is in stores most of the people who end up having sex either don't buy it because of finances, or do not buy it because of social stigmas. I can also say that this also happens in rural areas too where everyone knows eachother, there's a joke about this whole topic which I will include as it does provide some humor.* That being said I believe the insurance companies whether they are employees of a public, private, religious or secular organization should provide employees with birth control options.

As to the more serious topics you mentioned those are a matter for another much longer discussion in a different thread.

*A young man goes into a drugstore to buy condoms. The pharmacist says the condoms come in packs of 3, 9 or 12 and asks which the young man wants.

"Well," he said, "I've been seeing this girl for a while and she's really hot. I want the condoms because I think tonight's "the" night. We're having dinner with her parents, and then we're going out. And I've got a feeling I'm gonna get lucky after that. Once she's had me, she'll want me all the time, so you'd better give me the 12 pack." The young man makes his purchase and leaves.

Later that evening, he sits down to dinner with his girlfriend and her parents. He asks if he might give the blessing, and they agree. He begins the prayer, but continues praying for several minutes. The girl leans over and says, "You never told me that you were such a religious person." He leans over to her and whispers, "You never told me that your father is a pharmacist.

Originally Posted by gugi

Oh yes, because typos are the exact same thing as knowing the actual meaning of words.
I have a new proposition though. Americans must show that they have learned their own language, or be stripped from their citizenship. It may or may not teach personal responsibility, but it certainly would make for a more cohesive nation. Let's see who is conservative enough to support this.

Now I'm just a dumb military Southern boy (with a Bachelors degree in English by the way) but I do detect a bit of a smug tone of intellectual superiority. Which I will politely ignore as you New York elitists are expected to behave like hooligans. Whatever gets you through the night good sir.

Originally Posted by RayCover

It just struck me as funny Gugi. We all screw up be it spelling, context or even definition. Doesn't reflect anything about a persons intelligence or the validity of a person's argument. Just means we are all human.

But, of course, there's no argument about that.
My point however was about misrepresenting things, intentionally or out of ignorance, which makes arguing pointless because there is no coherent framework to conduct the argument over. I thought that was pretty clear, but I suppose I misjudged and should have just made an explicit statement instead of just pointing towards it.

So, back to the original video, what Friess says is that abstinence does the job and doesn't cost a thing, and in the context of his previous statement implying that this current contraception issue is completely insignificant.
Which shows either complete ignorance (which is extremely unlikely for him) or pure demagoguery.
With the exact same logic 1OldGI concluded that the obvious solution to all problems in USA is people simply becoming responsible.

And both 'solutions' are perfectly valid, of course, the only minor problem is that they simply do not work outside of somebody's fairy-tales mind.

Originally Posted by RayCover

I think I will stick with "all men are created equal" whether they have a good vocabulary or not.

Oh, let's not even get there Because, you know, when that was written the meaning of 'men' was 'human beings with y chromosome', and the meaning of 'all' was 'only those of caucasian origin'. And of course nowadays the meaning has changes somewhat, but 'equal' most certainly stil does not mean in practice what it means in the dictionary. Or may be it does mean the same thing as in a dictionary - an abstract idealized concept with little bearing to reality.

Originally Posted by 1OldGI

Now I'm just a dumb military Southern boy (with a Bachelors degree in English by the way) but I do detect a bit of a smug tone of intellectual superiority. Which I will politely ignore as you New York elitists are expected to behave like hooligans. Whatever gets you through the night good sir.

I have no degrees in English. I spent my youth helping my grandparents pasture sheep, gather hay, pick fruit, vegetables, etc. Only in my teenage years I started learning English and was irresponsible enough to take advantage of our 18 year old teacher who was incapable of ruling in adolescents 3 years junior to her, and so I spent 70% of the English classes playing soccer outside. I only moved to NY because, apparently, there are not enough Americans who are qualified enough to do hard science, so they have to import people like me able to think both in abstract and practical way, as well as expressing ourselves well enough in a language we learned in addition to our mother tongue (and in my case in addition to two other foreign languages). So, yeah it's all intelectual superiority because I was born into the NY liberal elite.

You're supposed to call it football, not soccer.
Learn foreigner English....

Was the teacher hot?

Originally Posted by HNSB

Was the teacher hot?

I believe the proper American English is "Hell yeah!!!!"

Btw, I'd call it football, but you gringos won't understand. Because in your mind 'football' seems to be a game involving hands and elipsoid, not feet and ball... but that's a whole other topic...