Thread: A father's Love and Rage

Originally Posted by Crotalus

Did the molester get what he deserved?

Yes. I have daughters.

Originally Posted by UKRob

My original point was made about taking the law in to your own hands - we all have opinions about what should be dished out to lawbreakers but my belief is that the hanging tree is not the answer. I thought the US had moved on from this 19th century mentality but some of the posts on this thread make me wonder.

I'm guessing you don't have a daughter. Although it would not be my logical choice of how to handle things, when it comes to defending my daughters there are times reason does not win over emotion or outrage. Although I am well versed in defending others (victims) from this type of predator, I cannot say for certain that I would not act with extreme violence had one of my daughters been the victim.
I find your statement about the US moving from the 19th Century mentality insulting.

It's a difficult thing, but I still feel we should love our enemies. It's not their fault there is evil in the world. My nature would be to hurt them very badly, but I'd be the one to have to live with that. I couldn't reconcile that act, as much as the darker side of my nature might relish it. I'd like to think of a higher aim. I'd like to think that love could prevail. All very esoteric and airy fairy, I know...

[EDIT] To add to this...

I very much respect guys' tendencies to want to enact extreme acts of violence on the perpetrator, but, without wanting to sound condescending, we can all over emphasise our physical capabilities at times.

I think maybe at times we need to hold our ideals above any physical thing, even if that physical thing is our own child. I know that's a very extreme ideal, and I don't know if I could do it, but when I hear of parents in Africa being forced to kill their own kids, I feel that life is not worth corruption of one's values. I would certainly kill someone attacking my family with ease, but I'd still feel soiled by the act, I'm certain.

Maybe the dude got what he deserved but i cannot be happy for death of anyone.

Originally Posted by UKRob

. Consider that it is really quite difficult to kill someone with punches to head unless you continue long after it's necessary. I'm not sure this thread belongs on a shaving forum.

It is quite hard to kill someone by just punching him. Even the mythical hollywood 'uppercut under the nose' will do no worse than giving you a terrible headache, and a nose that resembles a flattened tomato. However, people tend to fall when you hit them in the head. Fall with your head on the corner of a table or bedpost, and you can die rather easily. And that is ignoring medical conditions like already weakend arteries, high blood pressure and weakened neck muscles or weakened bones.

Originally Posted by ReardenSteel

Hanging is stil an option in New Hampshire if lethal injection cannot be given and in Washington, an inmate can request death by hanging over lethal injection.

Methods of Execution | Death Penalty Information Center

Personally I would prefer the firing squad.

I believe the Father did the right thing. No need for a lengthy trial to put that poor girl through anymore mental pain just so he has the option to walk or get a reduced sentence only to repeat this crime again.

I feel that kind of person has a mental illness and no amount of jail time or rehab would change it. This way, the cycle stops for that man.

It's a difficult case and evokes very strong feelings. I have a daughter, now grown up, and it's likely that I would have done the same in the heat of the moment.
In most cases mob rule and summary justice are a very bad thing, not least because in many cases the target is often innocent.
In the UK a young man has just been released from prison because in the light of new evidence, it is now clear that he didn't commit the murder he was jailed for. He 'only' lost 5yrs of freedom, what if he'd been executed?
Granted, living by the rule of law in civilised society has its drawbacks, but the alternative would be a lot worse.

Originally Posted by welshwizard

It's a difficult case and evokes very strong feelings. I have a daughter, now grown up, and it's likely that I would have done the same in the heat of the moment.
In most cases mob rule and summary justice are a very bad thing, not least because in many cases the target is often innocent.

My opposition to the death penalty stems largely from cases that will be well know to fellow Canadians: Donald Marshall Jr., Guy Paul Morin, and David Milgaard are just three well known examples of innocent people convicted wrongfully of heinous crimes. If we had the death penalty, there is a good chance that all three would themselves have been wrongfully executed.

"...Late breaking story on the CBC
A nation whispers, we always knew that he'd go free"

Couldn't resist a Hip reference...

I don't think the father did anything wrong. He doesn't seem to have premeditated what he was going to do. He didn't stop half way through to think of deserved tortures. Without knowing the exact facts I will assume he stopped the assault as soon as he saw the low life was not moving.

Ironicly, if he had lived then the father could have gone to jail. It is only when we have time to think about what we would do that thoughts of torture come into our heads. First gut reaction, I think in all of us, is to beat the low life senseless. Then if he lives we start to think about what else we can do to him. But if he dies from the beating, then it stops there.

Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider

I think maybe at times we need to hold our ideals above any physical thing, even if that physical thing is our own child. I know that's a very extreme ideal, and I don't know if I could do it, but when I hear of parents in Africa being forced to kill their own kids, I feel that life is not worth corruption of one's values. I would certainly kill someone attacking my family with ease, but I'd still feel soiled by the act, I'm certain.

The police have stated that the father was very remorseful after the attack. Apparently the death has cause him great suffering. The police still have not released the father's name.