The plot thickens

**Wullie** · 07-22-2012, 05:15 PM

With 20 some pages in the post about opinions on ownership, I thought this little tidbit would be better posted anew. I have suspected that there is more and was more to this incident than is being reported and I have been and always will be skeptic about what is being reported these days.

Found this on a friends timeline and thought that it bears a great deal of validity on the topic of the recent Denver shooting and the recent matter of the UN Small Arms Treaty that will be used to sell out the 2nd Amendment.
I want to post this while it is still fresh in my mind. Been up since yesterday with this Aurora shooting, listening & reading news reports, putting things together... if I try to do it tomorrow, I might lose the connections between the dots.

I was just about ready to go to bed last night, when I decided to kick over to Fox's web page -- saw the News Alert, so I kicked into iHeartRadio & dialed in KOA radio in Denver. Got to listen to the live news reports while I was looking for more news -- I have friends who live in Aurora, & was a bit worried.

Never went to bed last night.

About 4 am, one of the other Denver stations (9News) reported on the web that Aurora Police had apprehended one of two gunmen -- an Iranian immigrant named Mohammed Alam -- and were still looking for the second gunman.

About 15 minutes later, that report changed to a lone gunman identified as James Holmes.

Earlier today, I found the Aurora PD dispatch tapes which had been linked on FB -- I listened to the whole tape, about 40 minutes worth. I distinctly heard the cop tell his dispatcher that Holmes had claimed that he was the only one, but that every witness had told police that there were two shooters. Later, near the end of the tape, dispatch notified officers that a construction worker had alerted them to a man -- dressed all in black & carrying a red backpack -- who ducked out of an alley further down Alameda Avenue; the tape ended before I heard whether they found him or not.

Now for my questions: they are saying that he used an AR15, a Remington 870 shotgun, and two Glocks -- on the Dispatch audio, the officers on-scene reported 20 to 30 clips littering the floor inside the theater, so he went in with plenty of ammo for the AR.

His shooting spree only lasted between 90 seconds and 2 minutes -- so, how in the hell did he empty & reload the shotgun twice as reported by two witnesses, then burn through 20-30 clips with a SEMI-AUTO AR-15, then empty two Glocks in that time frame if he was alone?

That is just NOT physically possible for one man to do in 2 minutes.

Personally, I do not believe that James Holmes ever fired a single shot; this smacks too much of a 2-man team of SOF operators. I think that Holmes was placed at the scene as a scapegoat -- a guy who had been manipulated, probably over a period of time with psychotropic drugs -- who didn't even know what planet he was on at the time.

I don't think they were SOF op guys myself. If that were the case, I feel the death count would have been higher. I do think that what happened is not what is being reported as it really is.

**pixelfixed** · 07-22-2012, 07:02 PM

Interesting stuff wullie,I do in my heart know one thing tho,If this dude was the lone assailant,He probebly was smoking Maryjuana just before doing this ghastly deed.

**honedright** · 07-22-2012, 07:13 PM

If you have any doubts about how fast one person can empty a few weapons:

Lead Dispencer, Spencer Hoglund World Record Stage Run Speed Shooting - YouTube

**Wullie** · 07-22-2012, 07:26 PM

I wonder how many 100K's of ammo the gent in the vid has expended learning that.

I've burned several hundred K in my lifetime and do not consider myself a slouch, nor do I consider myself an expert.

I can quote Bill Jordan and agree, that "speed is deadly, accuracy is fatal."

FYI, some interesting follow ups on drudgereport.com at the moment.

**Hirlau** · 07-22-2012, 07:35 PM

There are for sure small details we will not learn, but the though of SF trained gunmen, almost made my choke on my papaya shake I'm having now.

Twenty to thirty "clips", if said at all, probably referred to "casings" on the floor.

Said to say, but I worked with men & women on the job, that could not tell the difference between clips & magazines and chips & dips.

On top of everything, now we've thrown the Iranians into the mix, go figure.

**JimmyHAD** · 07-22-2012, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Hirlau

Said to say, but I worked with men & women on the job, that could not tell the difference between clips & magazines and chips & dips.

IIRC the police who handled the murder of Dallas police officer J.D. Tippet initially reported the revolver found at the scene as being a semi auto. The Dallas police definitely ID'd the rifle in the school book depository as a Mauser. That was changed to a Carcano later that day or maybe the next.

**FiReSTaRT** · 07-22-2012, 08:12 PM

Gentlemen, correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't see any firearm on that list that uses clips??? Now if they were talkin' SKS, I might have believed it

**thebigspendur** · 07-22-2012, 11:17 PM

As I recall they said he had a drum magazine that held like 50 rounds or so.

**bharner** · 07-22-2012, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Interesting stuff wullie,I do in my heart know one thing tho,If this dude was the lone assailant,He probebly was smoking Maryjuana just before doing this ghastly deed.

¿¿¿What on earth does Mary Jane have to do with this???
Please tell me you're just trolling with that comment. It has no place in a remotely dignified and intelligent conversation.

Just to humor it though and rebut it; I'll be shocked if he had smoked up just prior to this. If he had smoked up the old wacky weed he would have ordered a few pizzas and vegged out to cartoons, Kung Fu movies, or Mario Kart and then fallen in to a restful sleep.

**parkerskouson** · 07-22-2012, 11:27 PM

As hirlau said, I seriously doubt that there were 30 magazines on the ground. Just think of how heavy that would be, let alone how suspicious that would make the gunman look.

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