Thread: What the Heck...For Real?!?!

Originally Posted by JBHoren

Uhhh, no; the one kid isn't the hostage -- all the others ARE. The one with the allergy to peanuts HAS TO LEARN how to deal with it, NOT the other kids. HE carries it with him, and will continue to do so for the remainder of his life. As with all the other subjects in school, HE needs to learn about HIS problem, and not them. Sorry, but that's the same cock-eyed thinking that got school yard jungle-gyms torn down and playgrounds closed.

OTOH, his teachers and the school administration MUST KNOW about his peanut allergy, and MUST KNOW how to administer his injector. But that's as far as "in loco parentis" should go. Just my 2-cents.

What we WILL do is "accommodate" the child, i.e., provide him with an alternate place in which to eat his lunch... with teacher supervision, possibly with a few of his friends (who know and understand the peanut issue, as do their parents). ACCOMMODATE, but not more... not on the rights of ALL THE REST.

Actually the child is hostage to the illness. There is no doubt that the child and his parents are well educated on peanut allergy.
Peanut allergy has nothing to do with the lack of jungle gyms or playgrounds, my friend. You can always open a thread on Lack of Physical Fitness in our Public Schools; that might actually be an interesting, this is if you can keep the tone of it civil.

Ummmm What I am hearing right now as I type this "Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwich" is considered to be Racist in Portland OR


I swear.. Looking for links now


OMG it really is out there


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/whit...-connotations/


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1874905.html



http://portlandtribune.com/pt-rss/9-...rum-for-equity

I believe things like universal bans on peanuts and products containing peanuts as well as the removal of jungle gyms from playgrounds has to do with the fear of lawsuits more than anything. Accidents no matter the level of seriousness spark lawsuits even when normal precautions are taken. Some people just don't understand that life is not 100% safe. Nobody wants to see a person injured but accidents do happen.


Bob

It was just on Fox, with O'Reilly.
If this is true then I must hold some rank in the Klan, I eat them all the time.
I like mine with Guava; just don't tell my Latin friends.

Originally Posted by RodneyOK

Absolutely amazing. Things like this make me really wonder where we are going...

We're already there and it isn't pretty.

I think I'll give my 2 cents, my daughter has a serious peanut allergy, also asthma, eczema, and is allergic to cats, she is 7 years old. We found out when she was 18 months old, her whole body was covered in hives, the whites of her eyes were red. Someone with a peanut allergy can basically drown in there own fluids, because the body over reacts. We go everywhere with an Epi-pen in fact 2, asthma inhaler, and benadryl, the alternative if we don't have these items when and if she is exposed, could be death. This is serious $%^*, no joke. Un-American? It's a public school. What if one of your kids had a handy cap and was in a wheel chair, you would expect ramps so your child had access like all the other kids, right? A physical body handy cap is easy to see, the food allergy is not, so most people just don't get it. If you think it's BS educate your self about food allergies, and then talk to me, because I've been dealing with people for the last 7yrs. who just don't get it. Also my Wife and me have been drilling it into her head that her epi-pen goes everywhere with her, and make it her responsibility. We make her think that nobody else is going to worry about it but her. You can't shelter them from the world but it sure is my responsibility to protect her. If it means no PBJ in school so be it. I use to think people with allergies just were wusses, I don't now, it's a real eye opener!

I agree with you life is not 100% safe, but I think you would be surprised at how wide spread food allergy's are, and that the end results could be death. Another way to look at this is your not going to hand a bunch of kids guns loaded are you? Well that bullet is pointed at my kid who has a peanut/tree nut allergy, get it?

Originally Posted by BobH

I believe things like universal bans on peanuts and products containing peanuts as well as the removal of jungle gyms from playgrounds has to do with the fear of lawsuits more than anything. Accidents no matter the level of seriousness spark lawsuits even when normal precautions are taken. Some people just don't understand that life is not 100% safe. Nobody wants to see a person injured but accidents do happen.


Bob

Originally Posted by JBHoren

Uhhh, no; the one kid isn't the hostage -- all the others ARE. The one with the allergy to peanuts HAS TO LEARN how to deal with it, NOT the other kids. HE carries it with him, and will continue to do so for the remainder of his life. As with all the other subjects in school, HE needs to learn about HIS problem, and not them. Sorry, but that's the same cock-eyed thinking that got school yard jungle-gyms torn down and playgrounds closed.

OTOH, his teachers and the school administration MUST KNOW about his peanut allergy, and MUST KNOW how to administer his injector. But that's as far as "in loco parentis" should go. Just my 2-cents.

What we WILL do is "accommodate" the child, i.e., provide him with an alternate place in which to eat his lunch... with teacher supervision, possibly with a few of his friends (who know and understand the peanut issue, as do their parents). ACCOMMODATE, but not more... not on the rights of ALL THE REST.

Learning about a SERIOUS allergy will not make one less dead should one be exposed - however unwittingly - to the allergen.

Schools all over the place are going down this road. I have a number of allergies - a couple of which could potentially be fairly serious - but they are nothing compared to a serious peanut allergy. Thebigspendur was spot on. This is an allergy that can have potentially fatal results in an extremely short period of time. It goes beyond segregated lunches in this case. If another child has a PB&J sandwich at lunch, uses the kid with the allergy's pen, chews on it, then gives it back, it could kill. If the kid with PB&J wipes his mouth then touches the allergic kid's desk, it could kill. Etc., and so on. With peanut allergies, one does not have to ingest whole peanuts or peanut products. Residue from peanut oil, even the scent of peanuts can kill, and kill very quickly. Would you be willing to take that risk to make a point?

Allergies are - for whatever reason (and this is a whole other debate!) - appearing much more frequently and with much higher severity in our kids now than at any point in history. I ate PB at school all the time when I was a kid, but there's no way I would send my nephews to school with it these days. I for one do not think it is worth the risk of causing harm to a child at school just to stand up for my right to consume peanut products.

Goodness knows there are a lot of wacky policies implemented in places like schools for the most spurious of reasons. This one however has a solid foundation in a basic desire not to have kids die at school.

Originally Posted by BobH

I believe things like universal bans on peanuts and products containing peanuts as well as the removal of jungle gyms from playgrounds has to do with the fear of lawsuits more than anything. Accidents no matter the level of seriousness spark lawsuits even when normal precautions are taken. Some people just don't understand that life is not 100% safe. Nobody wants to see a person injured but accidents do happen.


Bob

I agree 100% that removal of jungle gyms, etc., is ridiculous. I played on them. I fell. I hurt myself then healed. Then I went back to them and had some more fun. But there's no coming back from some things. Anaphylaxis can be one of those things.

Originally Posted by Trimmy72

I think I'll give my 2 cents, my daughter has a serious peanut allergy, also asthma, eczema, and is allergic to cats, she is 7 years old. We found out when she was 18 months old, her whole body was covered in hives, the whites of her eyes were red. Someone with a peanut allergy can basically drown in there own fluids, because the body over reacts. We go everywhere with an Epi-pen in fact 2, asthma inhaler, and benadryl, the alternative if we don't have these items when and if she is exposed, could be death. This is serious $%^*, no joke. Un-American? It's a public school. What if one of your kids had a handy cap and was in a wheel chair, you would expect ramps so your child had access like all the other kids, right? A physical body handy cap is easy to see, the food allergy is not, so most people just don't get it. If you think it's BS educate your self about food allergies, and then talk to me, because I've been dealing with people for the last 7yrs. who just don't get it. Also my Wife and me have been drilling it into her head that her epi-pen goes everywhere with her, and make it her responsibility. We make her think that nobody else is going to worry about it but her. You can't shelter them from the world but it sure is my responsibility to protect her. If it means no PBJ in school so be it. I use to think people with allergies just were wusses, I don't now, it's a real eye opener!

I know you don't want sympathy but I feel for your daughter. I hate that any kid has to go through life with such difficulties. However, to deprive a whole school of an item of food because of one seems over the top to me. I realize and appreciate the fact that you want the best for your daughter and I respect that. The world out there is pretty much a public place. Would you expect all of the world to give up its peanut butter and cats?


I recall a few years back, I was at a restaurant eating supper. That place had a BIG sign outside, and large sign on the door, and ashtrays at every table. The signs said smoking allowed and others said NO NON SMOKING AREA PROVIDED. I ate there quite often as it was a refuge for those of us that smoked. One evening, I finished my meal and fired one up only to be railed at by a very upset father of a young man about 2 or so years old. He was livid! He told me that his child was highly allergic to cigarette smoke and could go into convulsions and die. I quietly stubbed out my smoke and told the man, I had no intentions of ever hurting a child under any circumstances knowingly. I then went on to inform him that since the child had problems like that, just what in the HELL was he doing bringing the child into that place. I asked him if he could read or was he just trying to start a fight or make a scene. Seems he hadn't noticed all the warnings and blows my mind that he couldn't tell it was a smoking joint when he walked in.

He apologized and took his family elsewhere.