Thread: Who Said Chivalry is Dead?

Anything that comes into your perimeter that is a threat to other people is your responsibility to protect. An upper cut probably doesn't look like an elegant way to difuse a volitile nut bag, but perhaps the bus drivers are not trained in the art of difusing voilent people... He went with what he knew how to do... I dont blame him, I blame the bus compny for not having a better way to protect him. How about a cage surrounding the driver? He is tthe second bus driver that I have seen get hit in a week.

From the video, it looks like she threw a punch; all be a a weak one...however, I will treat you like a lady til you swing at me like a man; then your ass is mine. Equal rights are equal rights "You have the equal right of getting your ass kicked like a man if you want to throw a swing like one", I love my dad

I think treating people "Like a lady" is an odd concept. I like to think we treat everybody with the respect they deserve until they request some other behavior. I think he could have dealt with the situation better, had he been versed in self defense. He took a brawler stance and threw an uppercut, he should have been given the training to restrain her until the police arrived.

Presuming he didn't have training, he did a good job of protecting his passengers. I have to say I chuckled a little at the huge punch he threw at someone so small. Tiddle I like that quote

I didn't see that there was any threat to the bus passengers. Not saying it might not have devolved to that, but I'm curious as to where you drew your assumption of passenger threat from. If the man was any sort of "brawler" that uppercut would most likely have been the end of the argument. As it seems to me that she has gotten right back up again to berate him some more, I doubt that he has 'brawled' much at all.

To try and help you understand the concept of treating women like ladies, a gentleman bases respect in the fact that in most cases a man can do a lot more damage due to size and strength, and that this can also be used for good rather than harm. Women being generally the weaker sex can have life made easier through some simple courtesies dealt out by the gentleman. Things like opening a door, some of which can be quite stiff due to the self closing mechanisms, stepping in to de-fuse or end a potentially violent situation involving someone who is not a gentleman, regardless of who is in the wrong. A gentleman would never allow himself to lower his standards to that point where violence was going to be committed. A gentleman, no matter how much turmoil he feels, displays a calm controlled exterior.

The bus driver would appear to have lost control of his temper sometime back, as the situation was fairly heated from the start of the video. If you lose your temper, you have lost control over yourself and your actionsm As well as the situation at hand.


Mick

I really can't think of any situation in which I could condone hitting a woman. Notice I didn't say lady, because she was certainly not acting like one. But she still remains a woman, regardless of the fact that she wasn't acting like a lady.

Originally Posted by mloyd

I really can't think of any situation in which I could condone hitting a woman. Notice I didn't say lady, because she was certainly not acting like one. But she still remains a woman, regardless of the fact that she wasn't acting like a lady.

I couldn't have before I was forced into that situation. But then there I was, and had to hit one to protect others, who were not all methed out.

From a public service point of view, any volatile behavior in the vicinity of those you serve is a threat to them. Especially violent behavior or threats.

I didn't say he was a brawler, I said he took a brawler stance. It's a term from boxing describing the dead set position of the feet, means you are less mobile and trying to rely on your power rather than any technique or tactics.

Everybody I know considers me a gentleman. I open doors for everybody regardless of sex, offer my service to anybody who asks for it, or needs it and am polite in all circumstances. I would have made sure she didn't pose a threat to me and those around me. I think what he did doesn't exclude him from being a gentleman, if that was the only way he knew to protect those around him. Gentleman - "a man whose conduct conforms to a high standard of propriety or correct behavior". Is it not correct to protect those around you?

Originally Posted by MickR

I didn't see that there was any threat to the bus passengers. Not saying it might not have devolved to that, but I'm curious as to where you drew your assumption of passenger threat from. If the man was any sort of "brawler" that uppercut would most likely have been the end of the argument. As it seems to me that she has gotten right back up again to berate him some more, I doubt that he has 'brawled' much at all.

To try and help you understand the concept of treating women like ladies, a gentleman bases respect in the fact that in most cases a man can do a lot more damage due to size and strength, and that this can also be used for good rather than harm. Women being generally the weaker sex can have life made easier through some simple courtesies dealt out by the gentleman. Things like opening a door, some of which can be quite stiff due to the self closing mechanisms, stepping in to de-fuse or end a potentially violent situation involving someone who is not a gentleman, regardless of who is in the wrong. A gentleman would never allow himself to lower his standards to that point where violence was going to be committed. A gentleman, no matter how much turmoil he feels, displays a calm controlled exterior.

The bus driver would appear to have lost control of his temper sometime back, as the situation was fairly heated from the start of the video. If you lose your temper, you have lost control over yourself and your actionsm As well as the situation at hand.


Mick

Originally Posted by mloyd

I really can't think of any situation in which I could condone hitting a woman. Notice I didn't say lady, because she was certainly not acting like one. But she still remains a woman, regardless of the fact that she wasn't acting like a lady.

In 33 years of law enforcement some of my more serious injuries, which involved hospital stays, were inflicted by the female of the species because I was trying to be a "gentleman".

I'm with maddafinga . . . tweakers are the worst.

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

I think treating people "Like a lady" is an odd concept. I like to think we treat everybody with the respect they deserve until they request some other behavior. I think he could have dealt with the situation better, had he been versed in self defense. He took a brawler stance and threw an uppercut, he should have been given the training to restrain her until the police arrived.

Presuming he didn't have training, he did a good job of protecting his passengers. I have to say I chuckled a little at the huge punch he threw at someone so small. Tiddle I like that quote

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

From a public service point of view, any volatile behavior in the vicinity of those you serve is a threat to them. Especially violent behavior or threats.

I didn't say he was a brawler, I said he took a brawler stance. It's a term from boxing describing the dead set position of the feet, means you are less mobile and trying to rely on your power rather than any technique or tactics.

Everybody I know considers me a gentleman. I open doors for everybody regardless of sex, offer my service to anybody who asks for it, or needs it and am polite in all circumstances. I would have made sure she didn't pose a threat to me and those around me. I think what he did doesn't exclude him from being a gentleman, if that was the only way he knew to protect those around him. Gentleman - "a man whose conduct conforms to a high standard of propriety or correct behavior". Is it not correct to protect those around you?

To address the bold text...I think not treating all women as ladies is an odd concept. Are you saying you judge people on their looks or their actions in that "Request"? Perhaps both?!

Had he been versed in self defense he would have the very barest knowledge of martial skill. Had he been versed in Martial Arts to a respectable level would have been of more use to him. More use than that though would have been some simple people skills.

Self defence is a method of countering an attack, doing enough harm, for the sole purpose of buying just enough time to escape from a dangerous situation. I fail to see how it would have served any useful purpose in his situation.

He should have been given training in how to deal with volatile situations before any study of retraining technique.

You "chuckled a little at the huge punch..." and in the very next bolded type you say all those that know you considers you a 'gentleman'. I guess they have never really met a proper Gentleman then. I failed to see the funny side of the women being hit.

"You would have made sure..." How?! By dropping her with a Muay Thai shin kick to the head I suppose. Personally I would have chosen to not let it escalate that far. Perhaps to just say nothing and get on with calling for police assistance earlier into the angst would have solved the problem. Perhaps the driver was the cause of the problem. Without knowing what the original situation was from the start, it is hard to make a judgement. We also don't know if she was on 'meth' or any other drug. The driver may or may not have been in a position both physically and knowledgably to tell. We are not.

What he did would exclude him from acting in a gentlemanly way and by dint of those actions, exclude him in the eyes of normal society, of being a gentleman.

And to your last point. Thank-you, you've looked up your dictionary and voided all of your own argument.


There is no one of us here who can make a judgement on this mans situation, based on the evidence of that video clip. I say he could have dealt with it in a far better manner. Perhaps I'm wrong. Others may say good on him for doing what he did. Perhaps they're wrong too. And some will propose to tell everyone how they would have done a much better job IF they were in that situation. Well. Obviously you weren't, so step down off your soap box.

My part in this discussion is finished. I see it as another of those two sided coin discussions.


Mick

You wrote all that and I'm on my soapbox. You insult me and those I know, and it's my soapbox.

Self defense is the simple method of countering an attack ... So if he counters all attacks, hopefully, nobody gets hurt.

I judge people based on their behavior, nothing else. When you work in hospitals you learn quite quickly that appearances man very little and behavior is king.

I did chuckle at the huge punch, it was unnecessary.

Please don't find yourself making personal judgements about people on the interweb. You don't know me, you don't know my friends and/or family. The mere fact that you can slight someone in the way that you do means to me that you aren't a very nice person. Just because you write it online it doesn't make it any less potent.

People are entitled to their viewpoints, you included, so you don't need to turn viewpoints that don't match yours into anything more than that.

Not sure why it got all serious, sorry guys

Originally Posted by MickR

To address the bold text...I think not treating all women as ladies is an odd concept. Are you saying you judge people on their looks or their actions in that "Request"? Perhaps both?!

Had he been versed in self defense he would have the very barest knowledge of martial skill. Had he been versed in Martial Arts to a respectable level would have been of more use to him. More use than that though would have been some simple people skills.

Self defence is a method of countering an attack, doing enough harm, for the sole purpose of buying just enough time to escape from a dangerous situation. I fail to see how it would have served any useful purpose in his situation.

He should have been given training in how to deal with volatile situations before any study of retraining technique.

You "chuckled a little at the huge punch..." and in the very next bolded type you say all those that know you considers you a 'gentleman'. I guess they have never really met a proper Gentleman then. I failed to see the funny side of the women being hit.

"You would have made sure..." How?! By dropping her with a Muay Thai shin kick to the head I suppose. Personally I would have chosen to not let it escalate that far. Perhaps to just say nothing and get on with calling for police assistance earlier into the angst would have solved the problem. Perhaps the driver was the cause of the problem. Without knowing what the original situation was from the start, it is hard to make a judgement. We also don't know if she was on 'meth' or any other drug. The driver may or may not have been in a position both physically and knowledgably to tell. We are not.

What he did would exclude him from acting in a gentlemanly way and by dint of those actions, exclude him in the eyes of normal society, of being a gentleman.

And to your last point. Thank-you, you've looked up your dictionary and voided all of your own argument.


There is no one of us here who can make a judgement on this mans situation, based on the evidence of that video clip. I say he could have dealt with it in a far better manner. Perhaps I'm wrong. Others may say good on him for doing what he did. Perhaps they're wrong too. And some will propose to tell everyone how they would have done a much better job IF they were in that situation. Well. Obviously you weren't, so step down off your soap box.

My part in this discussion is finished. I see it as another of those two sided coin discussions.


Mick