Thread: Obama won re election

For those that doubt the US Idiocracy...

Colorado, my old home state and a swing state for the Presidential election

In Colorado Marijuana Legalization Got More Votes than Obama | Just Say Now


Just goes to show what is really important to voters here...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

My entire point was the by only seeing something through the lens of the media which has it's own bias you are not seeing the truth only anothers rendition of that truth...

Yes, I of course, agree that people have to be informed. I was pointing out that simply living in US does not guarantee it, as we both know all too well. Just like me you've seen plenty of people on the left, on the right, and in the middle of the political spectrum who live in US, watch TV and are completely wrong when it comes to facts.

Even in these threads here we have the record of people who appear to follow politics super closely and yet are consistently wrong on simple and fundamental facts, like specific law being passed or rejected.

I can understand when people lack analytical skills and cannot handle basic logic to work out the implications from the facts, but insisting that lies are facts to me is a fundamental flaw that is perhaps correctable only through a darwin-like process of selection.

I personally like these discussions as long as they involve rational arguments instead of ideological justification because I enjoy learning, and I'm always looking for ways to improve my thinking. If I was interested in what I already know and think I'd be talking in front of a mirror

Originally Posted by gugi

Yes, I of course, agree that people have to be informed. I was pointing out that simply living in US does not guarantee it, as we both know all too well. Just like me you've seen plenty of people on the left, on the right, and in the middle of the political spectrum who live in US, watch TV and are completely wrong when it comes to facts.

Even in these threads here we have the record of people who appear to follow politics super closely and yet are consistently wrong on simple and fundamental facts, like specific law being passed or rejected.

I can understand when people lack analytical skills and cannot handle basic logic to work out the implications from the facts, but insisting that lies are facts to me is a fundamental flaw that is perhaps correctable only through a darwin-like process of selection.

I personally like these discussions as long as they involve rational arguments instead of ideological justification because I enjoy learning, and I'm always looking for ways to improve my thinking. If I was interested in what I already know and think I'd be talking in front of a mirror

It's really simple. Some folk spend all their days listening to one point of view. They are bathed in it 24 hours and have no exposure to anything else. They are literally brainwashed. It's also the old story of tell a big lie and say it over and over again and back it with money and soon folks accept it as gospel and even when presented with facts and the truth they will refuse to even consider changing their opinion.

History is replete with countries whose citizens followed someone and accepted all the lies they told with catastrophic consequences for them and others.

Humans are basically sheep who follow the mob and want to be told what to say and do and think.

Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

Ok, I'll teach. I'm doing so in the spirit of fostering understanding, not to pick on anyone.
Your original statement: "What I find troubling is youth and immigrants without broad historical perspective and fueled by a "Me" "What I want now" attitude..."
Your use of the term "broad historical perspective" may seem all-encompassing, but it lacks clear delineation. It cannot be quantified. It cannot be reliably and validly measured. It cannot be experimentally supported or refuted. What may seem wide-ranging to one may in actuality be a rather limited comprehension and/or application to another.
You further stated that "relativity tips the cart" (or something to that effect, yes?). Relativity means that there is no absolute standard between and among all things. Thus, my statement "broad historical perspective has absolutely no value" is applicable.
My B.S. is in history and psychology. Compared to most saloon patrons, I do possess what you call "broad historical perspective." For example, I can trace the origins and formation of republican political theory to the ancient Greeks. Most people can't. I can detail, describe, and explain the causalities and effects of the Enlightenment on the formation of the United States Constitution. Most people can't do this either. Compared to my father (professor emeritus of history and poly sci), there's no comparison -- he can blow me away quite easily. He's just that good!
I hope this helps you understand my perspective. Again, I did this to help others gain some understanding.
We still pals?

You support my original point. You stated that "Most people can't." I believe that most people could. The fact that most people don't is what I find disturbing.

Get over it guys. ya dance with who ya brung,Talk in four yrs.

a member posted this inanother part of the fourm and i thought it would take the tension off this moster i started To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

In light of your failure in recent years to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately.

(You should look up 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary.)

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy).

Your new Prime Minister, David Cameron , will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.

Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

1. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour,' 'favour,' 'labour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix '-ize' will be replaced by the suffix '-ise.' Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up 'vocabulary').

2. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ''like' and 'you know' is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter 'u'' and the elimination of '-ize.'

3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can't sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you're not ready to shoot grouse.

5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.

8. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. South African beer is also acceptable, as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth - see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

10. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.

11. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).

12. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries.

13. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.

14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.

God Save the Queen!

PS: Only share this with friends who have a good sense of humour (NOT

First time I saw that was after the 2000 elections.
I recall people saying that the UN should send observers to the next elections to make sure that there would be no repeat of the hanging chad recount fiasco

Originally Posted by Deerhunter1995

a member posted this inanother part of the fourm and i thought it would take the tension off this moster i started To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

In light of your failure in recent years to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately.

(You should look up 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary.)

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy).

Your new Prime Minister, David Cameron , will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.

Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

1. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour,' 'favour,' 'labour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix '-ize' will be replaced by the suffix '-ise.' Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up 'vocabulary').

2. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ''like' and 'you know' is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter 'u'' and the elimination of '-ize.'

3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can't sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you're not ready to shoot grouse.

5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.

8. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. South African beer is also acceptable, as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth - see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

10. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.

11. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).

12. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries.

13. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.

14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.

God Save the Queen!

PS: Only share this with friends who have a good sense of humour (NOT

There are serious errors here in line 4 you left out knives and axes. Nothing cooler like hitting the target with a hacket .
Thorwing knives are cool to. that's all for now.

Ah, bugger the queen, AND the horses she rode in on! (in a humorous way, of course)

Bah! You can tell that wasn't written by a true Brit. Strawberries and cream with tea? Metrication? And no mention of Pimms?

And don't start me on the correct use of the English language - I'd never seen so many green grocer's apostrophes as when I lived in the UK.

I know how republicans feel, I really do. I felt the same way when my fellow citizens voted in this tool we call a Premier in QLD recently. And I am getting the last laugh, though unfortunately it makes me want to cry. However, that is Democracy, is it not? Democracy is a series of bitter pills for some, strawberries and cream for others.

James.