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    Default The 49th anniversary of the JFK assassination.

    November 22nd, 1963 in Dallas, Texas. I was in 8th grade and it was during the time we had finished with one class and were walking down the halls to our next one. A friend and I were going along when another student came running up and excitedly told us the president had been shot. We both pushed him and punched him in his arms. What he was saying to us was unbelievable and blasphemous. He started to cry swearing it was true. He had just been in the office and heard it on the radio.

    I was in class when the announcement came over the loudspeaker that the president had been shot by an assassin and had died. In the classroom some of the kids burst into tears. JFK was revered by us and it seemed impossible that it could have happened. I was watching the coverage when Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald. My mother immediately thought there was a conspiracy and he had been murdered surrounded by the Dallas police too conveniently. I thought that was ridiculous. It took a few years for me to see it but IMHO there is no doubt it was a conspiracy. A coup d'etat in the United States of America.

    As with everything else in this country the population, those who care one way or another, is split on whether it was a lone assassin or a conspiracy. I've read voluminously on the subject and there is no doubt in my mind that it was a coup. Looks like my generation will be dead and gone when and if the whole truth is ever known.

    In 1976 the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded there was at least a 2nd gunmen, if not more. That the CiA and other federal and state LEO agencies withheld information and obfuscated what info they gave. A sad day in American history.
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    Thanks for sharing. That's a day no one will ever forget. I was in jr. high school, seventh grade, and in a geography class taught, ironically, by a teacher who had been a secret service agent. He announced it to the class and the reactions of the students were similar to those you describe.

    Later that day I had band practice; the teacher had us play "Hail to the Chief." When we finished, he told us we could keep the sheet music and that practice was over that day. It was sorrowful.

    I too saw the Ruby/Oswald shooting live on T.V.

    Over the years, I too have become convinced that there were more players than ever publicly disclosed.

    Nevertheless, a dark day indeed.
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    I had an after school job in an auto body and repair shop. My boss was primering a car in the spray booth and I was repairing a front fender with lead and a torch when the news came over the radio that always played in the shop. We both stopped
    what we were doing and the boss grabbed a couple of cold beers out of the fridge and we went into his office and sat around
    his desk. We did not move for about 4 hours. We were frightened and my boss kept saying no good will come of this.
    I cannot and never will subscribe to the lone assassin theory.
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    Calculus class when I found out. It was a very different time we went into after it happened.

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    Thanks for the reminder Jimmy. If it is any comfort, the US was not the only place badly effected by the sad events of that day. I was in Grade 5 when it was announced by the teacher and we were dismissed for the day. It certainly cast a pall over us here then.

    Like you, the older I got and the more I read about the assassination I cannot believe it was the work of a lone deranged gunman. It is sad that our generation, who lived through that momentous event, will likely not live to see the entire truth eventually emerge.

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    In world history class,freshman in H.S. Am convinced that L.H.O had nothing to do with the killing,was not even in the building at the time.

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    I certainly think there was involvement by the American goverment the underworld mafia CIA, I do believe there was a conspiracy and cover up, not sure the Kennedy's going after organized crime was a reason he was killed maybe that was a smoke screen, who knows? your guess is as good as mine. Maybe is sympathy with his Irish roots and the republican cause maybe Britain had some sort of hand in his death?

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    I was in class in the 9th grade at the time.

    Having worked my almost entire career in government, I believe that the public believes that government has much greater control over things that happen than it actually does. While I certainly would not rule out the possibility of conspiracy, why would any competent band of conspirators, whether government or organized crime based, employ such a marginal character as Oswald and equip him with a bottom of the barrel quality rifle that was selling mail order at the time for about $ 7.00 including scope? I remember seeing the same rifles in a local department store selling for about $ 5.00 without scope.

    I believe that Oswald probably acted alone and acted for reasons that could be understood only by him such as was probably the case with the person that killed John Lenon and performed the recent movie theater shootings. I visited the Texas Book Depositary during a business trip and can say with confidence that the car containing JFK was very close and moving slowly in a dead straight line away from the window. JFK was an almost impossible to miss target, even with a cheap rifle, leaving aside consideration of what physical effects actually shooting at a human rather than a paper target may have had on the shooter's capabilities.

    Assuming that the assasination was the work of a lone gunman conspirator, I cannot see what motive anyone in government would have had to assasinate Oswald who was already in custody. I can easily see what a madhouse would occur around Oswald, and the possibility that a lone person angered by the assasination of a president, may get in to kill the person who was believed to do it. Something akin to a one person lynch mob.

    I think that it is likely that any criminal or government professional assassination would have used better equipment, the gunman would not have been captured, and the gunman would possibly have been dissapeared never to be seen again by anyone.
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    I don't remember it, (Only because I had yet to be born) but I have read a lot on it. I was always fascinated by the fact that some people held such strong beliefs over L.H.O. "having" to be the shooter. One of my highschool teachers was nice enough to share his research on it with me. My teacher's notes may not be the truth, but Karl Popper wouldn't have a problem with this theory. I have tried repeatedly to debunk it and always came back to the same spot.

    Anyways, unfortunate times.

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    There are so many things. The parade route was changed at the last to take it through Dealy Plaza, which provided an excellent ambush site with tall enough buildings to provide a triangulated crossfire.

    Elements of CIA, having worked together with the mafia in the Castro assassination plots, hated JFK because he left them out to dry at the Bay of Pigs. Those agents had deep ties with men that they had trained for a couple of years. Seeing them die or be captured and imprisoned must have been excruciating. You cannot imagine how virulently anti communist the climate was at the time. By many JFK was considered a traitor.

    Finally JFK's purported decision to pull our troops out of Nam upset the military industrial complex. LBJ hated the Kennedys and knew that he would not be on the ticket the following November. If he was not involved in the actual event, and I don't think he was, he and Hoover definitely were responsible for much of the coverup. Selecting, among others, Allen Dulles former chief of the CIA , who JFK had fired , to sit on the Warren Commission.

    Hoover claimed Oswald was a nut who wanted to put his name in the history books yet LHO denied shooting anyone. No nitrates found on his cheek and that on his hands could have come from the book cartons he handled on the job. He was interrogated for many hours and no transcripts were written. This is ridiculous on it's face. He was found guilty without a trial.

    In the Marine Corps he was a radar tech at a high security clearance installation in Japan, where the U2 spy planes were based. A place where CIA was known to be and to recruit out of the USMC. After he defected to the Soviet Union he was admitted back into the USA with no problem. It goes on and on. Then a guy with known ties to organized crime walks into the middle of the Dallas police station, where he had been the night LEO was brought in, and shoots him. When LHO said, "I am just a patsy" I believe that was the unvarnished truth.

    Getting into the ballistics of the head shot as opposed to the other wounds ...... the botched autopsy .... is another kettle of fish. Too bad that The President of the Untied States brain disappeared and we cannot examine it for bullet fragments. I'm staying with the opinion held by LBJ and RFK, that it was a conspiracy.

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